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Labour leadership: Jeremy Corbyn wins convincing victory over Owen Smith wrote:Party leader increases mandate after beating challenger Owen Smith, leaving rebel MPs to decide whether to return to the frontline.

Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to “wipe the slate clean” after winning a convincing victory in Labour’s bitter leadership battle, securing 62% of the vote.

Speaking after the result was declared in Liverpool, Corbyn thanked his rival, Owen Smith, and urged the “Labour family” to unite after the summer-long contest.

“We have much more in common than that which divides us. Let’s wipe that slate clean from today and get on with the work we’ve got to do as a party together,” he said.

Corbyn secured 61.8% of the vote to Smith’s 38.2%. The victory strengthens his hold on a party that has expanded dramatically since the 2015 general election and now has more than 500,000 members. In last year’s contest, he won 59.5% of the vote.

Corbyn won a majority over Smith in every category – members, registered supporters and trades union affiliates. He won the support of 59% of voting members, 70% of registered supporters and 60% of affiliated supporters.

The winner pointed out that he had secured his second mandate in a year and urged his colleagues to accept what had been a democratic decision.

Smith congratulated Corbyn for mobilising so many supporters in the party, and said he would reflect on how he could help Labour to win the next election.

He said: “I entered this race because I didn’t think Jeremy was providing the leadership we needed, and because I felt we must renew our party to win back the voters’ trust and respect. However, I fully accept and respect the result and I will reflect carefully on it and on what role I might play in future to help Labour win again for the British people.”

That is likely to be read as a hint that the former shadow work and pensions secretary might be willing to accept a frontbench role, something that he repeatedly insisted during the campaign he would not do.

Smith, the MP for Pontypridd, emerged as a challenger after scores of shadow cabinet ministers resigned in the wake of the EU referendum, and Labour MPs overwhelmingly backed a motion of no confidence in their leader.

Rebel MPs must now decide whether to return to the frontline. Many are awaiting the results of a Saturday night meeting of the party’s national executive committee, which will discuss the rules for choosing a future shadow cabinet.

Tom Watson, the party’s deputy leader, has called for a system of elections that would allow MPs to have a say in who serves on Corbyn’s frontbench, and could tempt back some who resigned over the summer.

Any agreed rule changes could be ratified by conference, but Corbyn’s team believes it can beef up the shadow cabinet without the need for elections and would like to see the question discussed alongside other issues, including how to give the membership more of a say in policymaking.

Party sources said talks involving the chief whip, Rosie Winterton, had taken place and would continue later in the day to try to reach a consensus on shadow cabinet elections.

John McDonnell, Corbyn’s campaign director, said the leader’s team hoped to work with MPs from across the party, but would be happy if those critical of his leadership wanted to campaign on issues from the backbenches, citing Yvette Cooper’s role in fighting for support for refugees.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the Unite union and a key Corbyn backer, said MPs must fall into line. “We urge Labour MPs to heed the signal sent by the members, twice now in one year, about the direction they want for the party. This includes respecting and supporting the elected leader and his team; no more sniping, plotting and corridor coups,” he said.

Jon Ashworth, the Leicester South MP and shadow cabinet member who sits on the NEC, said: “We have got to unite, but we have also got to recognise that substantial numbers of people didn’t vote for Jeremy.”

He said a deal on shadow cabinet elections would help Corbyn to beef up his frontbench team. “If we want a fully functioning frontbench, we need a way of bringing colleagues back. Various shadow teams have not got their full complement. This seems to me to be a way of doing that.”

In Corbyn’s acceptance speech he promised that attacking Theresa May’s plan to bring back grammar schools would be at the heart of his effort to reunite Labour.

“This time next week we will hit the streets united as a party. I am calling on Labour party members to join us in a national campaign for inclusive education for all next Saturday,” he said.

The Conservatives, meanwhile, launched a multimedia campaign highlighting the divisions in the Labour party with the slogan: “We have a winner, but it isn’t Britain.”
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It is a matter of personal pride that I have NEVER,EVER voted 'Labour', despite being brought up in what would have been recognised as a classic family situation that one would think was a natural 'Labour' one.

I have NEVER trusted 'Labour' in my life, they did nothing for me,ever,they are disgusting,treacherous,deceitful,lying traitors to the working class that created them.
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Labour are today two parties. The socialist and the middle left. Neither can win an election on there own. Cornyn has the support because people with strong socialist convictions want real change and they will infiltrate a party to get their wish. I find it strange that Labour have a system where you are not a member, but if you pay £25 you can still have a vote on their leader! So you don't want to be part of the party unless it's to vote for Cornyn? They must really love Labour and their values. The reality is Cornyn is the symbol of change and appeals to radical socialists. Unfortunately the majority of UK voters aren't socialist and are happy with the status quo. We are all doomed with a Tory government for the next 20 years .
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The socialist and the middle left.

No, Corbyn is middle left and the "middle left", centre right. British politics has moved so far in the last three decades that the centrist SDP of the early ‘80s appears in retrospect to be a radical leftist project (it wasn’t). Read the SDP's '83 manifesto, comparisons with Corbyn abound.


:lol:
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Corbyn is indeed for small business and middle-class people yes.

And you have misunderstood ingliz, he is saying that there is no socialist department in Labour and what you call "socialist" is in fact the middle-left, while what you call "middle-left" is in fact neoliberal centre-right. That is the New Labour department which you called middle-left is in fact neoliberal centre-right and the leftist section(Corbyn's section) is in fact mild social democrats.

And he's right.
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How many of the labour party were in on the coup vs Corbyn? about 170 i think. Who wants to vote for a party with that many backstabbing blairite cunts in it? even if their leader is a decent guy.

BTW the blairites have decided that "blairite" is now a term of abuse and labour members are banned from using it. :lol: (i'm not joking)

Now for a good laugh at the Scottish labour leader:
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The main problem with Corbyn may be that he's neither neoliberal nor Atlanticist, but Nordic, and as such he's considered an enemy by the whole British establishment basically. Blairites are closer to the Tories than to the rest of Labour, so it seems unlikely that they can run together in the same party any longer. I'm not sure whether how it should be resolved, but Corbyn has to neutralise them as soon as possible, otherwise they keep obstructing him by any means available.
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He is on -30 or something. He is incredibly unpopular with the public.

I also read that he would have lost if not for post 2015 joiners which is funny if true. :D

the rest of Labour


As in those people who joined in the last 5 mins? :lol:

John mcdonnell is the real power here anyway - a self confessed marxist :excited:

A summarry of labours new foreign policy so far.

- mcDOnnel when asked about opposing hard brexit .. :lol:

"We don’t want to restrict ourselves at the moment in the discussions that we are having with our European colleagues."

- expanding foreign aid :roll:

- nuclear disarmament :excited:
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The next general election in the United Kingdom is scheduled to be held on Thursday 7 May 2020, so I wonder how anyone could predict the outcome so early. In my opinion it will be about a new Britain, and the Tories won't be able to offer anything new, while the British public will be tired of them. The EU-UK relationships will be like the EU-Norway relationships most likely, which will push British society in a Nordic direction, and that will be good for Corbyn. His chances may be just way better than many would like to believe.
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Beren wrote:The next general election in the United Kingdom is scheduled to be held on Thursday 7 May 2020, so I wonder how anyone could predict the outcome so early. In my opinion it will be about a new Britain, and the Tories won't be able to offer anything new, while the British public will be tired of them. The EU-UK relationships will be like the EU-Norway relationships most likely, which will push British society to a Nordic direction, and that will be good for Corbyn. His chances may be just way better than many would like to believe.


An election can be called early and the Tories have every reason to do so I suppose. It would destroy Labour and leave them with a huge majority.

If you think someone like Corbyn can become PM in the UK, you're as daft as they are. I live in one the strongest Labour seats and I don't know anyone who'd vote for him.

BUT if they get rid of Corbyn prior to 2020, they of course stand a chance.
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