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Die Welt wrote:The conflict between the Netherlands and Turkey to prevent the election campaigns of Turkish politicians in Rotterdam escalated during the night from Saturday to Sunday. It was only after hours of negotiations that the Turkish family minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya, who had arrived by car from Germany and had been prevented from entering the consulate by Dutch police, finally gave up. She changed cars in the early morning morning from her blocked service car to another vehicle to be escorted by the police in the direction of Germany. She departed from the airport Cologne-Bonn in a private airplane, the Turkish news agency Anadolu reported.

The government in Ankara announced "the toughest" countermeasures for preventing the minister's appearance. The answer to this would manifest in "the most serious way", said Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim on Sunday morning.

He continued: "Our so-called European friends who speak of democracy, freedom of opinion and human rights at every opportunity have once again to repeat a class in the face of these events." These events made it clear who the "true friends" were. He also called on Turks living abroad to remain calm.

The Dutch government had denied the landing of the aircraft of Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavusoglu, who wanted to make a speech in Rotterdam despite a clear cancellation of the Dutch government in the consulate.

In a nightly statement, the Dutch government of Minister President Mark Rutte criticized the minister's visit as "irresponsible". She had already been told before her arrival that her election campaign in the Turkish consulate was "undesirable". "Nevertheless, she decided to travel", says the statement, which was documented by the station NOS.

The appearance of Cavusoglu in the consulate, on the other hand, had become "impossible" by the public threat of sanctions from Ankara. "The search for a proper solution proved impossible. The verbal attacks by the Turkish authorities, which were subsequently made, are not acceptable. "

Cavusoglu had threatened the Netherlands with economic and political sanctions in the event of a refusal of his planned election campaign. State President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insulted the Dutch as "fascists". Prime Minister Binali Yildirim spoke of a "diplomatic scandal" and announced a resolute response to "this unacceptable treatment" in an explanation spread on the Sunday night, as the agency Anadolu reported.

Rotterdam's mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb said at a press conference in the early morning that the minister had been declared an "unwanted foreigner". In the meantime, she had been escorted by the police in the direction of Germany, together with her staff and bodyguards. Aboutaleb had declared the entire urban area of Rotterdam a special zone in the night, in which assemblage is not permitted. Early in the morning, the police used water cannons against the mostly Turkish demonstrators around the consulate, as reported by the station NOS.

Several Turkish demonstrators were arrested. They attacked security forces with stones and flower pots, the Dutch news agency ANP reported.

Most of the more than 1,000 demonstrators who had gathered at the Turkish Consulate in Rotterdam on Saturday night were peacefully dispersed.

The Turkish side responded on Saturday evening with demonstrations of several thousand people in front of the Dutch Embassy in Ankara and the Consulate in Istanbul. In addition, the two diplomatic missions and the residences of the Dutch Ambassador and his deputy were sealed off by the police. The Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned the Dutch chargé d'affairs in Ankara in the evening. He was informed that a return from the Dutch Ambassador, who is not currently in Turkey, is undesirable.

In the face of the diplomatic dispute between the Netherlands and Turkey, there were spontaneous rallies in Germany during the night of Sunday. Several hundred people demonstrated in front of the Dutch Embassy in Berlin and in front of the Consul General of the Netherlands in Düsseldorf.

In Rotterdam, the Turkish Minister of Family Affairs, Kaya, had engaged in an hour-long tug-of-war with the police. Despite repeated requests to leave the country immediately, the minister refused to comply.

On Twitter the minister wrote at the beginning of the showdowns before the consulate: "The Netherlands violates all international laws, conventions and human rights by not letting me into the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam." One would not capitulate against this "oppressive mentality". In Rotterdam, at night, democracy, fundamental rights, human rights and freedom had fallen into oblivion. "Only tyranny and oppression," she continued.


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So if you draw a line, and the other one steps over it, and you retreat, that's wise in your book?

That minister had been told by the government that she wasn't welcome. She tried to bully her way into the consulate anyway, to campaign for Erdogan's bid to kick democracy into the bin in Turkey (you remember what he said about democracy? I had it in my sig once, perhaps I should resurrect it), and you think the Dutch should have shrugged and said, oh well, now that you're here, go ahead!

You can't be fucking serious.

And why would anyone give a fuck if he "plays the victimcard"? Do you really think that just because crying "waah, your mean, I'm the victim" is the mode of politics in Western countries now due to the regressive left's identity insanity, that it works with the rest of the world? Newsflash, it doesn't and it's refreshing to see that some countries in the West are getting tired to cave to this kind of bullying strategy.
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Can anyone tell me why exactly Erodgan and his party are denied such rallies in Europe, I am no fan of Erodgan and its good whenever something hurts Erodgan but I can't process why exactly he is being denied.

For example, Indian PM constantly gets to address Indian diaspora in western world during election campaign and afterwards. I despise both these leaders but what exactly is the difference, why allow one and not the other?
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When was the last time Pakistani officials campaigned in your country? Erdogan is campaigning for his version of Hitler's Ermächtigungsgesetz. He abuses democratic processes to abolish democracy and expects Western democracies to give him a platform for that. Yeah, no. Perhaps Rutte also doesn't want to give his electorate more reason to vote for Wilders next week.

The funny thing is that it's even forbidden by Turkish law itself.

Btw, Turkey has refused permission again for German officials to visit German troops stationed in Incirlik.
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Frollein wrote:And why would anyone give a fuck if he "plays the victimcard"? Do you really think that just because crying "waah, your mean, I'm the victim" is the mode of politics in Western countries now due to the regressive left's identity insanity, that it works with the rest of the world? Newsflash, it doesn't and it's refreshing to see that some countries in the West are getting tired to cave to this kind of bullying strategy.


Absolutely, it does. Certainly in Turkey today, and also in Weimar Germany.
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I support Netherland's decision. Germany should have done the same. A clear message needs to be sent to Erdogan that foreign statesman participation in political rallies for political campaigning in EU is not allowed. Should Turkey introduce any sanctions against Netherland, the EU should reciprocate.

House of Schwarzenberg know why they have a raven gnawing at Turkish head in their coat of arms
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Anyway, I believe that guy is a bad dude, very revengeful. I remember reading awhile back that there was an uprising of part of the military that tried to take over, but he had enough loyal troops to up them down. Then when they surrendered, he had them all put to death.
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Frollein wrote:And that's why you're advocating for Appeasement or what? Because that worked out so well?


The question is whether the appearence of those ministers in the Netherlands would actually have attracted a lot of attention from the Turkish community and influenced them to vote for Erdogan. Now it seems they got a lot more attention than they deserve, in the Netherlands and elsewhere.
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Turkey should be carved up. They are occupying Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Constantinople (with the rest of Eastern Thrace) and Western Armenia. It is amazing we treat countries who have done a fraction of the evil of the Turks as rogue states while allowing Turkey to exist.
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Decky wrote:Turkey should be carved up. They are occupying Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Constantinople (with the rest of Eastern Thrace) and Western Armenia. It is amazing we treat countries who have done a fraction of the evil of the Turks as rogue states while allowing Turkey to exist.


You Brits messed up during the Turkish war of independence. All those named territories should not be controlled by Turkey. Nobody has the guts to give Turkey the handling it deserves today.
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Potemkin wrote:Yildrim is the Prime Minister, not the President. The thread title is inaccurate.


Sorry, my bad - in German, it's Ministerpräsident. Perhaps a mod can change the title.
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Rugoz wrote:Not sure this was a wise decision from the Netherlands, it just allows Erdogan to play the victim card again. Kind of similar to how the left often overreacts to Trump's bullshit.

Whatever decision would have been taken, the AKP would have spun it to their advantage anyway, since they control ALL the media in Turkey. Lines must be drawn.
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Rugoz wrote:Not sure this was a wise decision from the Netherlands, it just allows Erdogan to play the victim card again.


I have to agree. And not just for the reason you gave. This is a diplomacy vs ethics conundrum. Ethnically it was a correct and brave decision by the Dutch. And they have at least some balls to stand up against Turkey. However, how long will Turkey continue to hold back the Syrian refugees from entering Europe while EU leaders seem agressive against Erdogan? Even though I am against Erdogans recent human rights violations, I think provoking aggressive policies against him at this moment in time, with elections around the corner, is not wise.
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