[noir]

What the British did during Arab Palestine revolt in 36-39. The IDF use their tactics as

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[Scamp]

If the Terrorists sincerely believed that many of their people will be indiscriminately killed, very swiftly, each time they do this, maybe they would think about not attacking European Countries.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Yeah, by the Japanese and Germans. Americans call 'em victories.

America does has a tendency to call pointless murder "victories"

[Oxymoron]

America does has a tendency to call pointless murder "victories"

What the hell are you talking about?

[Political Interest]

In the immediate aftermath I would have all suspected extremists rounded up and imprisoned. Those with dual citizenship would have their British citizenship taken away and they would then be sent back to where they come from. The others who do not even have British citizenship would face immediate deportation. All of these people would be banned from entering the UK. This would include those who have not even participated in any illegal activities. Any extremists with British citizenship would be put in prison indefinitely. Send in special police and army groups to clear out the criminal enclaves in cities throughout England, including the sex gangs in places like Rotherham.

Mass immigration would be ended. The number of working visas issued to foreigners would be limited to 10, 000 per year and the number of cases where citizenship would be granted would also be reduced to 200 a year, down from its 100,000 or so. No racial or religious angle would be put on this policy, just turning off the taps on the overflowing bath tub.

All preachers would have to get state sponsorship and register with the government. Radical preachers would be banned from conducting their activities.

It would be necessary to withdraw from the Middle East and reduce relations to a purely economic and financial basis. Close all the military bases there and stop supporting Israel. Do not interfere with any country in the region. Be prepared to give up the oil interests. Promote Britain as a friend of the Islamic world and realise this through concrete steps, for example, sanctions against Israel in response to excesses in Gaza, as well as more foreign aid, Islamic cultural exhibitions in London and other avenues to promote good will.

Finally it would be necessary to develop policies which allow for communal cohesion and reduce ethnic tension, while at the same time affirming that English identity is not values based or purely civic. Undertake a thorough programme to radically reimagine multiculturalism and replace it with something that actually works and truly allows for inter-communal harmony and friendship. The aim would be to promote harmony and friendship between all religious and ethnic groups in the UK. Learn from countries like Singapore about how to do this.

[MememyselfandIJK]

@Oxymoron I'm only taking about March across Samar, USS Wahoo, Battle of Bismark Sea, killing Japanese soldiers who had already surrendered in WWII, Rape in Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Laconia massacre, Canicattì massacre, Biscari massacre, war crimes in Normandy, the massacre at Audouville-la-Hubert, Operation Teardrop, Dachau massacre, No Gun Ri Massacre, My Lai Massacre, extraordinary renditions, torture, and applying the status of unlawful combatant to some prisoners during the war on terror, Civilian casualties from US drone strikes, Kunduz hospital airstrike, and much, much more.

[noir]

It would be necessary to withdraw from the Middle East and reduce relations to purely economic and financial. Close all the military bases there and stop supporting Israel. Do not interfere with any country in the region. Be prepared to give up the oil interests. Promote Britain as a friend of the Islamic world and realise this through concrete steps, for example, sanctions against Israel in response to excesses in Gaza, as well as more foreign aid, Islamic cultural exhibitions in London and other avenues to promote good will.

This is EU foreign policy since 1973. The French already put themselves as champion of the Arab cause.

[Political Interest]

This is EU foreign policy since 1973. The French already put themselves as champion of the Arab cause.

It is not the foreign policy of either the UK or the US. And this is what the Arab world thinks of when it looks at the West. It does not care if one or two countries take a slightly more pro-Arab stance.

The West must no longer stand in the way of sensible forces in the Middle East. These are the ones which can also allow the Arabs to achieve self-realisation. For example, the West stood in the way of Nasser. Now that option is completely gone because Nasserism is a defunct ideology.

[MememyselfandIJK]

The other major lie is that Che was a mass murderer, killing thousands of innocent people in pursuit of personal power. This was also debunked succinctly in Jon Lee Anderson’s Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life. In it, he says, “I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed ‘an innocent.’ Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason, or crimes such as rape, torture, or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere”  [16]. Many of the people Che killed were former members of the Batista government, a fascist dictatorship put in place by the US to serve corporations [17]. There is certainly discussion to be had about whether it is morally correct to kill people for desertion during wartime, but it is incorrect to say that Che was a “mass murderer.” On the contrary, Che Guevara was a freedom fighter. All those who dream of a better world would do well to follow his example.
Briefly, I would like to address the claim that Che burned books and music. This, like the above claims, is completely false. This claim was popularized by Humberto Fontova, a Cuban exile, in his book Exposing the Real Che Guevara and the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him. This book has been exposed as false even by bourgeois academics.  Journalist and Buenos Aires bureau chief for Dow Jones Newswires Michael Casey reviewed Exposing the Real Che Guevara in his 2009 book Che’s Afterlife: The Legacy of an Image. Casey described it as “an art form of mixing frustration with ridicule.” Casey said that Fontova’s prose was a marriage of Ann Coulter with the Gonzo journalism of Hunter S. Thompson, and that Fontova “basically yells at his readers, mixing a sarcastic wit with a touch of self-deprecation until it is overwhelmed by disdain for his opponents.” Lastly, Casey observed that Fontova often “lathers himself into a rage” when it comes to the issue of Che Guevara, noting that his barrage of hyperbole leads him to describe Guevara as an “assassin”, “sadist”, “bumbler”, “fool”, and “whimpering-sniveling-blubbering coward” who is “revered by millions of imbeciles.”Other descriptions by Fontova of Guevara, cited by Casey, were “shallow”, “boorish”, “epically stupid”, “a fraud”, a “murdering swine”, an “intellectual vacuum”, and an “insufferable Argentine jackass” [18].
The book is nothing more than propaganda, unsubstantiated and politically motivated. Even the former CIA officer Robert Chapman admits that Humberto exaggerates his claims [19] If even the imperialists are unwilling to support the author’s claims, then we can reasonably claim that the claims are false.

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[noir]

Britain was part of the EU when Europe changed its policy follow the 1973 oil embargo. During 1973 Yom Kippur war, Edward Heat refused to allow American planes which brought weaponry to Israel to fly over British air space for not provoking the Arabs.

[Suntzu]

@Oxymoron I'm only taking about March across Samar, USS Wahoo, Battle of Bismark Sea, killing Japanese soldiers who had already surrendered in WWII, Rape in Okinawa, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Laconia massacre, Canicattì massacre, Biscari massacre, war crimes in Normandy, the massacre at Audouville-la-Hubert, Operation Teardrop, Dachau massacre, No Gun Ri Massacre, My Lai Massacre, extraordinary renditions, torture, and applying the status of unlawful combatant to some prisoners during the war on terror, Civilian casualties from US drone strikes, Kunduz hospital airstrike, and much, much more.

USS Wahoo was a hellofa boat!

[Suntzu]

We need to team up with Russia and possibly China to reduce radical Islam to smoking rubble. Start with Saudi Arabia which furnishes much of the financing. Take 'em back to the 7th Century where they belong by eliminating such Western influences as their power grid.

[Political Interest]

Britain was part of the EU when Europe changed its policy follow the 1973 oil embargo. During 1973 Yom Kippur war, Edward Heat refused to allow American planes which brought weaponry to Israel to fly over British air space for not provoking the Arabs.

You once told me to stop living in the past, but Edward Heath was also a very long time ago. David Cameron was a very pro-Israeli PM and he even said that Israel had the right to defend itself during the Gaza crisis in 2014. It is very strange that you would try to suggest the UK has been anything but supportive of Israel when it has probably been its best ally since 1948.

[neopagan]

3. If we stop selling arms to SA then they will just buy them elsewhere(Russia, China etc) The better solution is to squeeze them as hard as possible. Tighten the grip as hard as possible and force them to give up support for terrorism. Our job should be to keep SA stable and forcing them/influencing them to change the course or suffer somekind of painful consequence.

4. Getting troops out of the Middle east will just strengthen ISIS and invite China, Russia and Iran to take our place. All of the outcomes are really bad. ISIS will manage to defeat Iraq and increase its territory.

5. Dictatorships are not the problem, the problem are the policies. Same as SA, squeeze them as hard as possible.

6. The issue is again, if we let them do that then ISIS power will increase. Or Irans power will increase. We need to be more picky where and why we interfere.

7. Stupid idea because of 3,4,5,6.

I agree with Godstud, but his ideas are simply the starting point. John Rawls' proposition that SA can be squeezed to give up its support for terrorism needs an explanation of just how that would be done. SA is a terrorist state no different to ISIS other than the backing of Western governments. They are fanatically religious, it is stated on their flag, just as it is stated on the ISIS flag. One is green, one is black. There most powerful weapon, the one that will always protect them, is the almighty dollar. To SA and ISIS, it is about God, to the Western democracies it is about money, which means they can always be bought.

[Stormsmith]

Stop supporting the Saudi Arabian regime.

Certainly desirable, but unlikely to happen. The US still sucks up a lot of their oil. The Saudi s need the US's custom. The US needs to leverage that need to a more peaceful end.

[ThirdTerm]

Those young Muslim citizens of EU countries who have returned from Syria or other dangerous countries should be detained or banned form re-entering the EU zone, if they have known ties to Islamist groups. Or at least they need to be interrogated by immigration officers, even if they are British or French citizens who claimed to have visited their relatives living in Muslim countries. The suicide bomber got a free pass when he returned from Libya last week and probably political correctness got in the way of preventing terrorism.

[MememyselfandIJK]

if they have known ties to Islamist groups

How do you plan to determine that without detaining lots of innocents?

[Oxymoron]

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So full of shit

[MememyselfandIJK]

@Oxymoron Factual retributions please. The author cites his sources, and while the author has a tendency to rant, it is not totally unbased.

[Oxymoron]

@Oxymoron Factual retributions please. The author cites his sources, and while the author has a tendency to rant, it is not totally unbased.

Can you at least admit that Che did not follow the so called laws of warfare?