[The_Brezhnevist]

In recent years, mostly because of the Kiev Maidan and radical nationalism that began In Ukraine and the following Donbass war, many Ukrainians claim that their culture is far more different than the "Moscovy" one and yet if we look on the shared history of those both cultures and shared similarity of their way of life , we see that they aren't different at all. I think that the radical nationalism that rised in Ukraine has no foundation in its claims of difference from thier russian neighbours and historical and ethnic "brothers", do you here agree or maybe you think that the two cultures indeed are different and the radical nationalism in Ukraine has a foundation in ukranian culture?

[ThirdTerm]

The Ukrainian culture is heavily influenced by Ukrainian Cossacks and it's more closely associated with various tribal cultures in the region than the Russian culture. Ukrainian Cossacks served as mercenaries for the Russian Empire, supporting Russian military operations. Ukrainian nationalism was revived by the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Cossacks became enthusiastic about reviving their national traditions. In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed a bill outlawing criticism of the UPA, a group implicated in war crimes against Poles and Jews during World War II. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army was a Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary army that engaged in massacring and expelling the Polish population in 1943. The Ukrainian cabinet also approved constructing a monument to World War I era Ukrainian leader Simon Petliura, whose forces were responsible for a series of pogroms across the country.

[Thunderhawk]

In recent years, mostly because of the Kiev Maidan and radical nationalism that began In Ukraine and the following Donbass war, many Ukrainians claim that their culture is far more different than the "Moscovy" one and yet if we look on the shared history of those both cultures and shared similarity of their way of life , we see that they aren't different at all. I think that the radical nationalism that rised in Ukraine has no foundation in its claims of difference from thier russian neighbours and historical and ethnic "brothers", do you here agree or maybe you think that the two cultures indeed are different and the radical nationalism in Ukraine has a foundation in ukranian culture?

The Ukrainian culture is heavily influenced by Ukrainian Cossacks and it's more closely associated with various tribal cultures in the region than the Russian culture. Ukrainian Cossacks served as mercenaries for the Russian Empire, supporting Russian military operations. Ukrainian nationalism was revived by the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Cossacks became enthusiastic about reviving their national traditions. In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed a bill outlawing criticism of the UPA, a group implicated in war crimes against Poles and Jews during World War II. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army was a Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary army that engaged in massacring and expelling the Polish population in 1943. The Ukrainian cabinet also approved constructing a monument to World War I era Ukrainian leader Simon Petliura, whose forces were responsible for a series of pogroms across the country.

Cossacks were more than just mercenaries, they started as a population of various peoples brought together as a frontier and settler population - grouping together as a military organization for protection from other peoples/raiders to the East and from Polish and later Russian nobles and governments who wanted more direct rule over the region and people. They were autonomous, held sway over large tracts of land and large amounts of people but attempts at independence were crushed by Poland/Russia. That being said, I dont know much is actually drawn from Cossack culture rather than later generations using Cossack imagery because it is distinct. Like Americans and their cowboys or Greeks and their Spartans, it was a notable though small part of the population once upon a time, with their imagery being more widespread then their actual culture.

UPA (group) and Petliura (a man leading a different group) were both Ukrainian nationalists willing to be violent, with splinter factions willing to be very violent, looking to free Ukraine from Russian rule and were willing to work with foreign powers to end that rule. Their violence and alliance with foreigners made them (in)famous. Another case of imagery being more widespread than actual impact within Ukrainian culture. I think these people are icons not because of their actions as a whole, but because they were forces that opposed the regional powers influencing Ukraine.

One culture aspect that is distinctly Ukrainian is the Unite/Ukrainian Greek-Catholic branch of Catholicism, but being Ukrainian and not Greek-Catholic is perfectly normal.

Quite a bit in the "I am not Russia" category, but not too much that is broadly Ukrainian and not common with Russian/Belorussian/Ruthenian.

[DmitryLeontiev]

First, there is no such thing like ukrainian-russian culture.

Ukrianians were created in Thalerhof concentration camp in 19th century. This infection was later spreaded by big fan of "ukraine" Vladimir Lenin and ukrainization in 1930s. The whole "nation" was created out of hate, fake unusable pseudo-language and a national costume.

Mikita Shapoval in his article in journal “Ukrainian home” in 1912 wrote:

“If you love your language -you must hate language of you enemy. If you head enemy speech from mouth of your belowed - hate them. … Resurrection of the ukraine is a synonym of hatred to your russian wife, your russian kids, your russian brothers and sisters, to your mother and father. If you do love the ukraine, you have to sacrifice your russian relatives”.

Here is a scanned page of this journal:

Ukrolanguage was designed not to be spoken, but to be as different from russian as possible, and thus is so unusable, that 87% of ukrainians according to Gallup survey (~80% according to videos on youtube from ukraine) prefer russian. Yeah, unfortunately ukrainians are still able to speak russian. I do want them to be totally ukrainized to see how this debilitating language will affect their mental health.

Sometimes ukros claim that they are real russians, try to steal parts of our history, and use "muscovites" word to name russians because they envy. Few weeks ago, for example, they claimed Anne de Russie, wife of Henry Ist, to be ukrainian. You may use this feature of ukros to produce bricks:
a)take some ukros
b)tell them they are not russians because they are ukrainians, and russians are real russians
c)collect bricks they shit.

[ArtAllm]

In recent years, mostly because of the Kiev Maidan and radical nationalism that began In Ukraine and the following Donbass war, many Ukrainians claim that their culture is far more different than the "Moscovy" one and yet if we look on the shared history of those both cultures and shared similarity of their way of life , we see that they aren't different at all. I think that the radical nationalism that rised in Ukraine has no foundation in its claims of difference from thier russian neighbours and historical and ethnic "brothers", do you here agree or maybe you think that the two cultures indeed are different and the radical nationalism in Ukraine has a foundation in ukranian culture?

"Ukraine" (Украина, Окраина, Краина) just means "Province" in all Slavic languages, and most Ukrainian nationalists are not happy with this name of their country. The Ukrainian Nationalists claim that they are the real Russians, that Russia started with the Kievan Rus.

But these ancient Russians were Orthodox Christians, and the most ardent modern Ukrainian Nationalists are Catholics.

So you have to look into the history of Russia and their ruling dynasties. The ruling dynasties of Russian Tsars began with Rurik, who was a Scandinavian Viking.

The Vikings, originally resident in the Novgorod region (today the Russian Federation) created the Kievan Rus, after they defeated the Khazars, which were the ancestors of today Ashkenazi Jews, who de facto control the West.

But the ruling Viking elite eventually melted with the Slavic population of the region, their descendants became Slavs, because Rus became a Christian country, and the Greek monks Saints Cyril and Methodius created the old Russian alphabet (also called Cyrillic Alphabet), they translated the Bible into the old Slavic language, which is still used in the liturgy in Orthodox Churches in Russia and today Ukraine.

BTW, this old Slavic language was more similar to the today modern Russian, than to the Ukrainian language, which was heavily influenced by the Polish language.

In any case, there was no such thing, like the Ukrainian Nation before WWI, the region was called Russia Minor (Малая Россия), and Ukraine was just a tiny region of the Small Russia, and the population of this region identified itself as Russians or Small Russians (малороссы). The Russian Tsars were Tsars of ALL RUSSIANS, including Великороссы (today Russians), Малороссы (today Ukrainians), and Белороссы (today Belorussians).

To destroy the Russian Empire the Bolsheviks, who were neither Russians, nor Christians, and who were supported by the American banksters, needed the support of all kind of minorities. That was the reason why the Bolsheviks created the "Ukrainians", speak they supported crazy separatists.

After the Bolsheviks destroyed Russia, they did not need Ukrainian nationalism any more, this was a threat to their power, and that was the reason why the Ukrainian population was decimated via an artificial starvation, also called Holodomor.

If somebody believes that Ukrainians do not want to be Russians or hate the name "Russian", then he is a fool.

The conflict between today Russians and Ukrainians is about who are the real Russians. Ukrainians believe that they are the real Russians, and that today Russians had stolen this name. According to Ukrainian Nationalists today Russians are not pure Slavs, but Finno-Mongolian mongrels, who just learned the modern Russian language and converted to Christianity.

But how can you explain this basic thing about the Ukrainian-Russian conflict to Western imbeciles who were not able to find Ukraine on the map of Europe 10 years ago, and who still believe that Khrushchev was a Russian leader, because they cannot recognise a Ukrainian accent in the speeches of Nikita Khrushchev?

To make a judgement about the Ukrainian-Russian conflict you have to speak Russian and know the history of the Russian empire.

Look at this historical map with the names of all ethnic groups that lived in this Empire:


Can you see any Ukrainians on this map?



Ukraine was just a name of a province in Little Russia, like Podolia or Volinia, and the population of all provinces of Little Russia were called "Little Russians", you can see this in the map above. There was no such ethnic group, like Ukrainians, in the year 1796, and the Slavic peasants of Russian Empire spoke different Slavic dialects. In today Russia they also spoke many different dialects, the modern Russian language was created in Saint Petersburg, and was heavily influenced by the French and German languages, because the Russian aristocracy spoke these languages more often, than their native Russian dialects. They got their education in French or German, so they could not express themselves as well in their native language, and they had to invent new words.

Russian poets, like Pushkin (who was of mixed African-Germanic race, and his native language was de facto French) and Gogol (wo was born in Small Russia and his native dialect was a Small Russian dialect, similar to today Ukrainian) were the people wo created the modern Russian language. This language became the native language of all Slavs, that lived in today Russian Federation (Great Russia), but due to the backwardness of the Small Russian provinces, they did not manage to introduce this language on the territory of today Ukraine, and this was used by Bolsheviks, who declared that the dialects of Small Russian peasants is a separate language, though the Ukrainian dialect is more similar to modern Russian, than say the Bavarian dialect to the modern German.

Bavarians call themselves Germans, and Ukrainians call themselves Russians. But Bavarians do not want to create a separate state, the Ukrainians were persuaded by Bolsheviks that they are a separate people, and that is the root of the conflict.

BTW, the Cossacks were not Ukrainians, they were Orthodox Christians, and most of them spoke a language similar to the modern Russian language.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Ukraine is a fake country

[Albert]

The Ukrainian culture is heavily influenced by Ukrainian Cossacks and it's more closely associated with various tribal cultures in the region than the Russian culture. Ukrainian Cossacks served as mercenaries for the Russian Empire, supporting Russian military operations. Ukrainian nationalism was revived by the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Cossacks became enthusiastic about reviving their national traditions. In 2015, the Ukrainian parliament passed a bill outlawing criticism of the UPA, a group implicated in war crimes against Poles and Jews during World War II. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army was a Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary army that engaged in massacring and expelling the Polish population in 1943. The Ukrainian cabinet also approved constructing a monument to World War I era Ukrainian leader Simon Petliura, whose forces were responsible for a series of pogroms across the country.

Cossacks were mostly a band of warriors that lived in "no man's zone" that existed between Polish occupied Ukraine and Muslims Tatars (Mongols). These free band of warriors, Cossacks, mostly settled in what today is Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. They were always on a fringe of society and never part of mainstream "Ruthenian" society (I believe this is latinized name given to the Russians there by Poles and Lithuanians) aka to modern Belorussian or Ukrainian, who are originally are part of the Rus' aka Russia. Perhaps this is where the name Ukrainian comes form, because it stems from a Russian word of krai, or ukraia. Which means fringe, or about the fringe. So basically these people lived on the fringe, at the no mans land that existed between Tatars and Christendom then. So thus, ukrainets, person who lived on the fringe, of border, society.

Basically the whole modern Ukrainian's government narrative that Ukrainian culture and identity comes from Cossacks is more mambo jumbo and another attempt to create something out of nothing.

"Ukrainians" and Russians are the same people.

[ThirdTerm]

Cossacks were mostly a band of warriors that lived in "no man's zone" that existed between Polish occupied Ukraine and Muslims Tatars (Mongols).

Central Ukraine used to be a major Cossack territory called the Zaporozhian Host (Sich) until 1775, when it was dismantled by Catherine the Great (Kissinger 2015:56). The Cossack routine in the Eurovision video is not fake and the majority of Ukrainians are likely to be genetically related to Zaporozhian Cossacks. The Zaporozhian Host is now reduced to Zaporizhia Oblast, an oblast (province) of southern Ukraine, and its capital is Zaporizhzhia. Cossacks have taken an active part in many of the conflicts after the disintegration of the Soviet Union such as: the Georgian–Abkhazian conflict, the Georgian–Ossetian conflict, the First Chechen War, the Second Chechen War, and the ongoing unrest in Ukraine.

"With this we would like to let our Empire and our faithful subjects be known that the Zaporozhian Sich is now destroyed and the name of Zaporozhian Cossacks is to be no more as well, mentioning of whom will be considered no less as an affront to our Imperial Majesty for their deeds and insolence for disobeying the will of our Imperial Majesty."

A historical legacy of the Zaporozhian Cossacks in the latter half of the 19th century shaped and influenced an idea of Ukrainian nationalism. Ukrainian historians, such as Adrian Kashchenko (1858–1921),[26] Olena Apanovich[27] and others suggest that the final abolishment of the Zaporizhian Sich in 1775 was the demise of a historic Ukrainian stronghold. This mid-19th century movement claimed a distinct Ukrainian nationality and attempted to lay claim to the Zaporozhian Cossacks as progenitors. During the Soviet era, the nationalist aspect was (officially) de-emphasised in order to quell the rise of nationalist sentiment; the celebration of Zaporozhian Cossack's historical role of defending Muscovy from Turks was emphasised. This is sometimes described by Ukrainophiliacs as Russophilia.

Zaporozhian attire, songs, and music found their way into official state dance and music ensembles, and influenced the image of Ukraine in the years to come. Since the Independence of Ukraine in 1991, attempts at restoring the Cossack lifestyle have concentrated on politics, horsemanship and cultural endeavours.[28]

[ArtAllm]

"Ukrainians" and Russians are the same people.

Most Ukrainians believe that they are the real Slavic descendants of Russians, and that today Russians are not Slavs, but descendants of Mongols, Tatars and Finns.
In a nutshell: The conflict between Ukrainians and Russians is a racially motivated conflict, it is a fight for the right to be called Russians and call their country Russia.

I think that the Ukrainians are in a no-win situation, because the West will never engage in a racial discussion about who are the real Slavic Russians, and the West will never support the idea of renaming Russia into "Mongolian Federation" and Ukraine into "Rus".

The West has already created an image of the "bad Russian", how can they now sell the idea about "good Kievan Russikis" and "bad Moscovit Mongols" to the dumbed down Western population?

How many Americans can locate Ukraine on the map?

[Albert]

Central Ukraine used to be a major Cossack territory called the Zaporozhian Host (Sich) until 1775, when it was dismantled by Catherine the Great (Kissinger 2015:56). The Cossack routine in the Eurovision video is not fake and the majority of Ukrainians are likely to be genetically related to Zaporozhian Cossacks. The Zaporozhian Host is now reduced to Zaporizhia Oblast, an oblast (province) of southern Ukraine, and its capital is Zaporizhzhia. Cossacks have taken an active part in many of the conflicts after the disintegration of the Soviet Union such as: the Georgian–Abkhazian conflict, the Georgian–Ossetian conflict, the First Chechen War, the Second Chechen War, and the ongoing unrest in Ukraine.

Cossacks were never part of mainstream culture, this is true for Russia as it is for modern Ukraine. Zaporozhian Sich was on the fringe of society, people who lived at the "borderlands" back then. These people were mostly outcast, the banished and the unwanted. I imagine people back then were bashed to the "borderlands" that existed between the Tatars and Rus', for heresy or some other anti-social behaviour. Hence Cossack communities began to form. Cossack is a word of Turkic origins which means vagabond. The Tatars probably gave that name to these people who lived at the borderlands.

[Albert]

[DmitryLeontiev]

"Ukrainians" and Russians are the same people.

No, they are not. Russian empire and USSR tried to absorb this definitely non-slavic tribe into russian culture, but natural forces were stronger.
They were different even before soviet ukrainization:

Sometimes we came across villages entirely Communistic but very soon we learned to distinguish them. When we entered a village with our horse bells tinkling and found the peasants who happened to be sitting in front of their houses ready to get up with a frown and a grumble that here were more new devils coming, we knew that this was a village opposed to the Communists and that here we could stop in safety. But, if the peasants approached and greeted us with pleasure, calling us "Comrades," we knew at once that we were among the enemy and took great precautions. Such villages were inhabited by people who were not the Siberian liberty-loving peasants but by emigrants from the Ukraine, idle and drunk, living in poor dirty huts, though their village were surrounded with the black and fertile soil of the steppes.
https://books.google.ru/books?id=IResCA ... nk&f=false

I think it was a mistake even to teach them how to speak russian, because now we have a horde of pathetic punks who can mimic russians.

[ArtAllm]

No, they are not. Russian empire and USSR tried to absorb this definitely non-slavic tribe into russian culture, but natural forces were stronger.

Most Cossacs would be offended if you called them Non-Russians and Non-Slavs.
They called themselves Russian Cossacs.
They had an own Slavic language, but there was no need for an interpreter. The standard Russian and the Cossac dialects were so similar, that Russian peasants and Cossacs could easily communicate without any middleman.

[DmitryLeontiev]

Most Cossacs would be offended if you called them Non-Russians and Non-Slavs.

Ukrainians. I wrote "Ukrainians". U. K. R. A. I. N. A. N. S. 9 letters.

[Thunderhawk]

By the 18th C, "Cossacks" stopped being a term for the cultural group of people in Central Ukraine, but was a term for a subsidized and empowered frontier military organization. Zaporozhian Cossacks had their history and culture, the Cossacks in Kuban and to the North were made with the 'Cossack' template but their communities, recruits and members had a different history (and often different culture) to those in central Ukraine.

In this way, the word Cossack has a similar history to 'Hussars' and 'Ulans'.

[Political Interest]

I think Ukrainians and Russians having any sort of conflict is silly. It is like Norwegians and Swedes hating each other, or the English and Scottish lowlanders feeling a real mutual hatred. But often those who are similar in many aspects, but not the same, can hate each other more passionately. It is very sad to see it.

[gerardo.vasquez]

Ukraine risks getting another "Chernobyl"

The nuclear industry in Ukraine is in a dangerous state, corruption that engulfs the whole country generates irresponsibility and negligence in the management of nuclear infrastructure, so the risk of a catastrophe is similar to the Chernobyl accident.
Many positions in the State Inspectorate for Nuclear Regulation of Ukraine, which must supervise everything that is happening at the nuclear facilities of the country, are vacant for many years. Thus, the position of the Chief State Inspector for Nuclear and Radiation Safety has been vacant for three years. At the same time, inspections of international supervisory bodies in the nuclear industry of Ukraine are rare and are ostentatious.
The most terrifying thing is that the authorities are now urging Ukrainian "Energoatom" to use atomic units as "maneuverable". If the unit issues a non-constant voltage to the network but operates wavy, changes its capacity throughout the day, which is not provided for in any staff documentation, then this is risky. It was in a similar situation and a catastrophe occurred in Chernobyl. But the authorities need it now because of the crisis in the energy sector as a whole - to ensure daily flow of "overflows" in order to close gaps whether there is not enough electricity in some areas.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... uo5j2DDetO