[Pants-of-dog]

No...only you.

You might wanna read the following...
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... st-attacks

Please quote the relevant text and describe how the text supports or refutes a claim. Thanks.

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Sorry no evidence. It's my fault that whenever I feel something too apparent to me, I jump straight to conclusional hypotheses.

Well, if you have no evidence, I will simply dismiss your assertion.

However, no evidence points to the contrary either: If they are capable to make their own place better why hadn't they done that over the past few centuries?

Please provide evidence for the claim that they have not been improving their own place in the last few centuries.

When I first replied you, you just asked "why do someone come for something and then destroy that very thing", you didn't say "want", and by saying that "thing" you surely didn't (or shouldn't) mean "Europe" itself, because Politiks, who you quoted and replied, stated quite clearly that the "thing" means "welfare, functional systems", etc.

As I said (without evidence though), they are doing it more-or-less unintentionally. However, failure to understand that "this kind of living would not end up in those good stuff" is not stupidity, just "cultural difference" (no matter how this gives me negative feeling and experience I cannot deny, otherwise I am letting uncivilized racism get in my way)

Please clarify what your actual claim is, find evidence for it, present said evidence, and then we can discuss it.

[Buzz62]

Would this be more acceptable to you?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swed ... SKBN17D0UD

[Pants-of-dog]

Would this be more acceptable to you?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swed ... SKBN17D0UD

Please quote the text. Bold the relevant phrases. Explain how the text supports
or refutes a point.

[Buzz62]

@Pants-of-dog READ THE FRIGGIN' HEADLINE!
The guy admitted to a terrorist act! What's wrong with you...no on second thought...don't bother...

Europe is under attack by insidious people who disguise themselves as economic refugees.
The question is not IF this is the case...the question is what are the Euros and NATO gonna do about it?

[SolarCross]

Europe is under attack by insidious people who disguise themselves as economic refugees.

That's why he likes them. If it were Eskimo ultra-nationalists blowing up European nightclubs and beheading random people on the street he'd be on here covering for them too. It doesn't matter who is attacking europeans just as long as someone is.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Pants-of-dog]

READ THE FRIGGIN' HEADLINE!
The guy admitted to a terrorist act! What's wrong with you...no on second thought...don't bother...

Europe is under attack by insidious people who disguise themselves as economic refugees.
The question is not IF this is the case...the question is what are the Euros and NATO gonna do about it?

What claim does this support or refute?

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That's why he likes them. If it were Eskimo ultra-nationalists blowing up European nightclubs and beheading random people on the street he'd be on here covering for them too. It doesn't matter who is attacking europeans just as long as someone is.

Another argument free post. Am I supposed to respond to this?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Not necessarily. In fact, it would be stupid to assume this since the enemy of your enemy could also be your enemy.

[noir]

Daily Star...
This is the reason I don´t read any tabloids.
You have to be really paranoid to believe this is true.

You wouldn't get the truth from established media. Better to be open to alt media

Swidish citizen: "You can't ban the news in official media and then complain that people get their news from alternative media, where else they will get the news?"

[Pants-of-dog]

Still no evidence that Sweden is banning news.

[noir]

Fresh

[noir]

The "BBC prepares to air a new documentary on the politics of Central European Visegrád nations Poland and Hungary in which it will accuse the anti-mass migration governments of being anti-democratic, anti-Semitic, and corrupt." A clear example of how the BBC has become a peddler of propaganda rather than a news reporter which in itself is extremely selective. The funny thing is the "anti-Semitic" accusation by the media outlet which revived postwar antisemitism with its inflammatory Pal fetish

ITV also joined the demonization process

[noir]

Initially thiught it's Russian trolls provocation, but apparently there is such a proposal


Original French link

http://www.causeur.fr/partition-islam-c ... rie-147743

French academic proposes Muslim apartheid state in France
This post was originally published on this site

A French academic has suggested creating a Muslim apartheid state within France in order to prevent a coming clash.

“We can never convert the 30 percent of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia law to the merits of our democracy and secularism. We are now allowing segregation to take place that does not say its name. Rather than veiling the face or adopting unimaginable measures in democracy – remigration, forced evictions of the most radical kind – why not establish a dual system of law in France?” professor Christian de Moliner has suggested.

De Moliner believes that an apartheid society has already taken root in France, which he described as: “A branch that wants to settle their lives on religious values and is fundamentally opposed to the liberal consensus on which our country was founded.”

De Moliner writes that the election of Emmanuel Macron as leader has not made the Muslim problem disappear, but has only postponed the inevitable culture clash.

“We will never be able to eradicate the radical Islamism,” he said, adding: “While we are not yet at open war, the faithful of the Prophet are already regrouping in areas sometimes governed by special rules.”

The academic’s solution is to create a “state inspired by colonial Algeria and Mayotte of the twentieth century: one territory, one government, but two peoples: the French with the usual laws and Muslims with Qur’anic status (but only for those who choose it).”

“The latter will have the right to vote unlike the natives of colonial Algeria, but they will apply Shariah in everyday life, to regulate matrimonial laws (which will legalize polygamy) and inheritance.”

“They will no longer apply to French judges for disputes between Muslims, but to Cadis. On the other hand, conflicts between Christians and believers will remain the responsibility of ordinary courts.”

“However, this system would involve schools or hospitals reserved for believers and therefore the creation of local committees that will manage them independently. A council of ulemas will fix the religious law, but the autonomy will stop there.”

“This system worked without too many problems from 1890 to 1940 in Algeria,” De Moliner argued.

He pointed to Greece and Turkey exchanging their population in 1922, to put an end to a war that lasted 100 years. Cyprus has also found peace, De Moliner said.

“Sudan has ended a large part of its civil wars by granting independence to the south of the country. The other way to restore calm is to form proportional governments, such as in Lebanon, Northern Ireland or New Caledonia.” In New Caledonia, France also introduced a system of apartheid to protect the white French population against local Kanakies.

“We are at all times at the mercy of an explosion of violence that would exceed in violent riots of 2005. Should the Army occupy the suburbs militarily to restore order? At its peak, ‘the war in France’ will be marked by a series of attacks to which no one will pay attention, by an endless harassment of the police, by ‘liberated’ areas in the hands of Islamists,” De Moliner warned.

He said Islam had become a fact of life in France. “We can never get the toothpaste back into the tube and convert the 30 percent of Muslims who demand the introduction of sharia to the merits of our democracy and secularism.”

The academic noted that the predictions in a popular novel by French author Michel Houllebecq, suggesting that the French would convert to Islam, was unlikely. “There will not be as in the novel Submission a wave of adherence to Islam, but simply a religious minority that will soon impose its rules.”

De Moliner said it was obviously out of the question to allow an embryonic Muslim government to settle in France. He proposed a system “close to the system established by the Edict of Nantes” which allowed Protestants to briefly enjoy protection in France. The Edict of Nantes (1598) had granted the Huguenots the right to practice their religion without persecution from the state.

“It was a success, except that Muslims today would have no place of safety and there would be no mixed court for mixed disputes. It would bring peace to France, break the excesses of Islam and for 95 percent of the population it would preserve a democratic framework.”

The Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, also known as the Edict of Fontainebleau, on 22 October 1685, however forced terrorised Protestants into exile or hiding. As a result they lost all social identity in France, forcing hundreds to flee.

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from http://freewestmedia.com/2017/11/18/fre ... in-france/

[Decky]

Not much of a loss, all thinking people believe the world would be far better without the French troubling us. Does anyone honestly have a negative reaction either emotional or intellectual about the loss of the Frogs?

[SolarCross]

Not much of a loss, all thinking people believe the world would be far better without the French troubling us. Does anyone honestly have a negative reaction either emotional or intellectual about the loss of the Frogs?

That's pretty cold even for you.

The French gave the world Charles "The Hammer" Martell, how bad can they be?

[noir]

Then they believed in their story. Today no one there believes in Christianity. What is the point to drag it to endless unrest if they can agree now on the terms of their surrender.

[SolarCross]

Then they believed in their story. Today no one there believes in Christianity. What is the point to drag it to endless unrest if they can agree now on the terms of their surrender.

Right, but while Christianity is in hard decline, there are other "stories" to believe in, secularism, western culture, the enlightenment etc, and these stories may be even more incompatible with Islam than Christianity is, why not fight for that?

[noir]

They will share power like in Lebanon with periodically brief civil wars.

[Pants-of-dog]

So, the 30% figure for Sharia support aming French Muslims comes from a survey done in 2016.

Some highlights:

The study, conducted by the polling firm Ifop long before the burkini controversy erupted and first published in Le Journal du Dimanche weekly, found that most of those who identify as Muslim in France fit into three broad categories.

The first, who viewed themselves as secular but also said that Islam plays a major role in their life, made up 46 percent of French citizens who identified as Muslim — they are classified as the "silent majority" in French Muslim life.

Twenty-five percent defined themselves as "proudly Muslim" but still accepted French law, including a "burqa ban" that went into force in 2011 and prohibited the public wearing of the full-face Islamic veil or the full-body burqa, which is rarely seen in the country.

However, 28 percent took a more hard-line view of their faith and its relationship with the French state. The report noted that this group tended to be in favor of wearing the full-face niqab and of polygamy. Notably, its members appeared to be significantly younger than those in the other two groups — almost 50 percent were younger than 25 — and the study's authors noted that this may be a generational effect.

This group was described as "mostly young, low-skilled people with low levels of participation in the labour market" who lived on the outskirts of cities and used their conservative Islamic identity to "revolt" against mainstream French society.

The responses to specific questions showed that a minority of French Muslims favored Islamic traditions over French law. For example, 29 percent said sharia, the Islamic legal and moral code, should be more important than French national law. Meanwhile, 24 percent were in favor of wearing the burqa and the niqab, despite the ban. Notably, in this case as in several others, French Muslim women appeared to be more conservative than men, with 28 percent in favor vs. 20 percent of their male peers.

It seems that this support of Sharia is correlated with a lack of economic integration.

Are we really entertaining the idea that the French government is going to cede territory to the 1.7% of the population that has the most trouble finding work?

The article continues:

The new study may challenge some orthodox thinking about France's Muslim minority. One of the most obvious was simply the size of that minority. In a nod to secularism, the French government doesn't allow state authorities to collect data about people's religious beliefs. This means estimates of the French Muslim population come from private groups — one widely cited study from Pew, for example, pegged the French Muslim population at 4.7 million in 2010, which would be 7.5 percent of France's total population. Other estimates are higher.

The Ifop poll found instead that French Muslims made up only 5.6 percent of the country's population older than 15, though they were younger on average. And despite growing concern about rising numbers of converts to Islam, the poll found that while 7.5 percent of respondents might fit in this category, twice that figure declared themselves non-Muslim despite having at least one Muslim parent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 34710cd551

[noir]

Just as prewar Pacifism led many pasifists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (in France and elsewhere) so postwar "anti racism" brought Europe to betray its women. Even to imply that Muslim ("Asian") men had a penchant for abusing white women seemed to the politcal elites as "racist" that it should be discussed.

I went to expose a 2nd Muslim Rape gang in 1 week. 17 scumbags in court this time in Oxford. One of the scum bags even burnt an 'M' onto the body of a 12 year old white girl with a hot poker to show that she was the property of Mohammed! .

[SolarCross]

It seems that this support of Sharia is correlated with a lack of economic integration.

Are we really entertaining the idea that the French government is going to cede territory to the 1.7% of the population that has the most trouble finding work?

Is this where you return to your snaky advice to fund muslims? That 1.7% don't have trouble finding work they don't want to work they want jizya and the french welfare system is doling it out to them. Why would a real muslim get a job when that means having to work alongside and under infidels? Why would they do that when they can just collect benefits and call it jizya?



UK: 53% of Muslim men don’t work, infidels support them

[Pants-of-dog]

Is this where you return to your snaky advice to fund muslims?

I see that you have misunderstood.

That 1.7% don't have trouble finding work they don't want to work they want jizya and the french welfare system is doling it out to them. Why would a real muslim get a job when that means having to work alongside and under infidels? Why would they do that when they can just collect benefits and call it jizya?

Provide evidence for this claim.

UK: 53% of Muslim men don’t work, infidels support them

Am I supposed to read this?

Also,

Muslim people are much more likely to be unemployed than any other faith group in the country, a House of Commons committee has warned in a report outlining stark differences in the social and economic experiences of different communities in Britain.

Commissioned by the Women and Equalities Committee, the report 'Employment Opportunities for Muslims in the UK' raises concerns that not enough is being done to ensure British Muslims are afforded the same employment opportunities as the rest of society.

12.8 per cent of Muslims are unemployed, compared to 5.4 per cent of the general population.

Within this figure, a significant gender divide emerges, as 65 per cent of unemployed Muslims are women.

It is unknown if this gender disparity is due to Muslim women being more visible due to wearing more overt religious attire such as a hijab, meaning that employers are able to identify their religion more readily and subsequently discriminate against them. Or conversely, if cultural attitudes regarding gender in Muslim communities mean they are more reluctant for female community members to work.

Research has found 44 per cent of unemployed Muslim women say they are unable to work because they look after the home, compared to 16 per cent of unemployed women among the wider UK population.

So, Ms. Geller seems to be wrong.