[noir]

Right, but while Christianity is in hard decline, there are other "stories" to believe in, secularism, western culture, the enlightenment etc, and these stories may be even more incompatible with Islam than Christianity is, why not fight for that?

The political elites fighting hard against any share memory.

[SolarCross]

The political elites fighting hard against any share memory.

The Guardian and their readers are a bunch of leftist traitors so that doesn't surprise me.

[noir]

The author was in the past The Times editor. It's life long indoctrination.

[Pants-of-dog]

These anti-immigrant arguments are weird.

On the one hand, you have to pretend that your own culture is weak and easily overwhelmed and destroyed by the simple fact that your neighbour is an immigrant.

But at the same time, you have to also believe in your own superiority and that you deserve to treat immigrants as second class citizens or worse.

[noir]

No one can force them to think otherwise about their country

[Pants-of-dog]

What are you going to do when you try to deport Muslims (for the unforgivable crime of being Muslim) and their country of origin refuses to take them back?

[noir]

This problem has no solution.

[SolarCross]

There are no easy solutions. A reconquista probably couldn't be just a cultural or metaphorical conquest, inevitably there will have to be some actual physical re-conquering too.

[Pants-of-dog]

I doubt there will be any need to do any reconquering at all.

[noir]

The Swedes are ready to give their country for free. There maybe more countries who will join them. North America should be kept free at all costs. But they too are showing sign of cracking

America's chief Islamist propagadist, "Woman of the year" 2017

[SolarCross]

I doubt there will be any need to do any reconquering at all.

It all needs reconquoring. Iran needs reconqouring.

[anasawad]

Why does every petty western nationalist have a dream to conquer Iran ?
Didn't 2500+ years of your soldiers being butchered at the gates of Iran taught you anything ?
I mean seriously, you guys need to cut the dumbness and stupidity you seem to be plagued with and move on.

[SolarCross]

Why does every petty western nationalist have a dream to conquer Iran ?
Didn't 2500+ years of your soldiers being butchered at the gates of Iran taught you anything ?
I mean seriously, you guys need to cut the dumbness and stupidity you seem to be plagued with and move on.

That isn't what I meant. I mean Iranians need to reconqour Iran from the muslims.

[anasawad]

Iranians are Muslims. What the fuck are you smoking ?

[SolarCross]

Iranians are Muslims. What the fuck are you smoking ?

Because they were conquored by arab muslims.

[anasawad]

No actually its not because of that.
Iran didn't give up its culture or history or language or anything.
Islam reached Iran before the empire imploded with internal conflicts. When the Arabs came they only got in because some of the disputing parties allowed them in to help against their enemies.
It took Islam over 2 centuries to integrate itself into Iranian Zoroastrian culture and it the merger resulted in the foundation of the Jafari sect which is dominant in Iran today.
Just like multiple cultures were absorbed into Iranian culture before that time and merged to create a newer one. Islam was exactly the same.
Persian history goes back to 3000 BC, in which along the 5000 years its been around it absorbed dozens if not 100s of different cultures and traditions into it. With each the Iranian culture and set of beliefs progressed forward to a newer and better culture.

Islam is just one of many to be subjected to this process, and just like all those before and after it, it is an integral part of the Iranian identity. And thats not going to change regardless of what anyone thinks or wants.

[Pants-of-dog]

It all needs reconquering.

Are you how arguing that the entire world has already been conquered by Islam? Lol.

Iran needs reconqouring.

I do not care about Iran.

Am I supposed to watch that video?

[SolarCross]

No actually its not because of that.
Iran didn't give up its culture or history or language or anything.
Islam reached Iran before the empire imploded with internal conflicts. When the Arabs came they only got in because some of the disputing parties allowed them in to help against their enemies.
It took Islam over 2 centuries to integrate itself into Iranian Zoroastrian culture and it the merger resulted in the foundation of the Jafari sect which is dominant in Iran today.
Just like multiple cultures were absorbed into Iranian culture before that time and merged to create a newer one. Islam was exactly the same.
Persian history goes back to 3000 BC, in which along the 5000 years its been around it absorbed dozens if not 100s of different cultures and traditions into it. With each the Iranian culture and set of beliefs progressed forward to a newer and better culture.

Islam is just one of many to be subjected to this process, and just like all those before and after it, it is an integral part of the Iranian identity. And thats not going to change regardless of what anyone thinks or wants.

They beat you and now you all grovel in the shadow of their tyranny. Your entire government are basically Vichy collaborators. All that is wrong with Iran is down to that tragic fate and there is nothing "better" about it.

[anasawad]

So Europeans all grovel in the shadow of Christianity's tyranny now ?

The Arabs didn't beat us. By the time they came the empire had already fallen. Literally fallen not metaphorically.
When the empire is standing, the Arabs and others alike fought dozens of wars for 100s of years and couldn't pass the borders with their armies.
And Islam is a religion not an ideology or a conquering entity. You need to try using your brain before talking.

And most of the Iranian empires with the exception of a handful came when it united under Islam against its enemies.
Since you don't understand or probably even know what the current situation in Iran is, its best that you don't start blurbing nonsense about it.
Iran went through a downturn of weakness in the last century and now its rising back up to a greater and larger influence and power than before. Just like every long living nation to ever exist, all must go through these phases to remove all the faulty parts that no longer works in the given time period.
Just like China and Russia and many other long living nations that are either hit their peak and now going towards and downturn before they rise again, or went through a downturn and now rising back up. Every nation goes through this.
And mind you, most western countries today are young nations. The oldest barely has a thousand years of history and it already went through these natural cycles.
Countries like Iran are much much older than that, and the conditions of the last century are natural phases that it must go through every few centuries.
And even with that, it was still strong enough to guarantee its survival as other nations occasionally don't have that ability when going through these periods.

[SolarCross]

So Europeans all grovel in the shadow of Christianity's tyranny now ?

In the past yes perhaps, not anymore though, Christianity is in decline. We were semi-lucky though because Christianity wasn't that bad.