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@SolarCross, I personally consider Monarchs the same as dictators, but if you are calling Stalin a Monarch then you clearly do too. As a supporter for the Royal Family, do you believe in dictatorships then or that it has any place in todays democratic societies? Also, about your point about dressing to impress and that people need such strong leaders in grand garments. Do you think Ghandi and India believe such nonsense?

@Victoribus Spolia, there are so many unrealistic variables to your hypothetical scenario, surely you can understand why no one thinks you are serious here. Britain is so divided over Brexit that even an Islamic terrorist event won't change this. It would actually need a declaration of war from Brussels to give the Brexiteers a firm puplic support to leave the EU.
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B0ycey wrote:@SolarCross, I personally consider Monarchs the same as dictators, but if you are calling Stalin a Monarch then you clearly do too. As a supporter for the Royal Family, do you believe in dictatorships then or that it has any place in todays democratic societies? Also, about your point about dressing to impress and that people need such strong leaders in grand garments. Do you think Ghandi and India believe such nonsense?


We already answered this, but I will restate what I said earlier to someone else:

The Catholic-Libertarian and Monarchist Kuneheldt-Leiden in his work, "Liberty or Equality?" argued that natural hierarchy is a greater preserver of liberty and therefore vastly different than other dictatorships that were designed as a necessary evil in order to guarantee great societal equality via a squashing of individual liberty. Indeed, he would argue that libertarianism can only be preserved through Monarchy. One example he used was that if Louis XIV had prohibited alcohol as the "representative government" had in the United States, he would not have been able to implement it and would have likely been executed immediately.

The reason, is because the purpose of a monarchy is to guarantee social hierarchy and tradition while rendering the basic function of government more efficient for the ultimate ends of protecting the people. It has NEVER been in the interests of monarchies to micro-manage or to become too burdensome. This is entirely different with the approach of "dictators of the proletariat" (or even democracies) which must micro-manage in order to get bring the proletariat to the point of true self-governance via a freeing them from their natural disadvantages of being religious and poorly educated, etc.

Likewise, this differs from fascist dictators that act in a restorative manner to cleanse the people of their accumulated decadence or racial impurity/weakness.

In general, even if the powers I outlined as technically being the prerogative of the monarchy were actively pursued, which would satisfy me, this still would not hold a candle to the powers vested in communist or even fascist dictatorships.

Now, don't get me wrong, i'm not a libertarian (and therefore disagree with Kuhnheldt-Leiden on much), for I am very much a pro-intervention as a paleo-colonialist and anti-free trade as a neo-mercantilist, but even this view is still vastly less micro-managing that a planned economy as we saw in ether Stalin's soviet union, Mao's china, or (to a lesser degree) in the states of Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.

So I think the comparisons are somewhat misleading, Yes I believe in a strong man, but this is out of a spirit of needing a natural heirarchy and true patriarchy, not to micro-manage all of the tha affairs of every individual in a society out of some process of collective evolution, whether marxist or racialist.

B0ycey wrote:@Victoribus Spolia, there are so many unrealistic variables to your hypothetical scenario, surely you can understand why no one thinks you are serious here. Britain is so divided over Brexit that even an Islamic terrorist event won't change this. It would actually need a declaration of war from Brussels to give the Brexiteers a firm puplic support to leave the EU.


The only thing asked in a hypothetical is for you to play along, but surely we can "imagine" brexit becoming popular and the monarchy gaining sympathy after a mass tragedy whether such events are likely to happen anytime soon is irrelevant. I think blowing up the Queen and Heir in the streets would shock the public conscious in Britain and the world, do not act as if that would be a "mere" terrorist attack.
#14862948
Way to throw a fellow pipe-smoker under the bus bro. :hmm:

You smoke, by your own admission be it noted, a mid-tier smooth Savinelli pipe. You, sir, are beyond the pale. If one is going to smoke an Italian pipe, it should at least be a Castello (preferably a Sea Rock Briar, but a Trademark would do in a pinch). I shall say no more.
#14862951
Potemkin wrote:You smoke, by your own admission be it noted, a mid-tier smooth Savinelli pipe. You, sir, are beyond the pale. If one is going to smoke an Italian pipe, it should at least be a Castello (preferably a Sea Rock Briar, but a Trademark would do in a pinch). I shall say no more.


Be fair, I took your advice and am going to an upgraded hand-crafted pipe for Christmas. Can we be friends now? :lol:
#14862954
Be fair, I took your advice and am going to an upgraded hand-crafted pipe for Christmas. Can we be friends now? :lol:

I am not one to bear a grudge, my good fellow. You have shown a commendable willingness to reform your appalling taste in pipes, so all is well. :)
#14862958
Potemkin wrote:I am not one to bear a grudge, my good fellow. You have shown a commendable willingness to reform your appalling taste in pipes, so all is well.


Well good, I couldn't have your ill-thoughts regarding my pipe preferences on my conscience....Now, shall we talk of beers and spirits? Or get back to monarchy v. dictatorships? ;)
#14862961
Well good, I couldn't have your ill-thoughts regarding my pipe preferences on my conscience....Now, shall we talk of beers and spirits? Or get back to monarchy v. dictatorships? ;)

Forget monarchy vs dictatorship; the important question here is this: Scotch - single malt or blended? :eh:
#14862968
Potemkin wrote:Forget monarchy vs dictatorship; the important question here is this: Scotch - single malt or blended?


Do you not think I am at a disadvantage against a Scotsman on this point? :|

All of my Scotch is blended.

How about Whiskey/Whisky: What is your opinion of American Bourbon over and against grain or malt whiskys?
#14862971
Do you not think I am at a disadvantage against a Scotsman on this point? :|

All of my Scotch is blended.

How about Whiskey/Whisky: What is your opinion of American Bourbon over and against grain or malt whiskys?

*shakes head sadly....* :hmm:
#14862979
What do you expect? A Yankee versus A Scotman on SCOTCH is like a toddler bringing a rubber-spoon to a gun-fight!

TEACH ME O' GREAT MASTER!!!

Listen carefully, Grasshopper, and learn wisdom....

1) Single malt, always and only. The difference between single malt and blended scotch is like the difference between vintage wine and cheap supermarket plonk.

2) As for bourbon, that foul concoction should never pass your lips.

That is all.
#14862981
Potemkin wrote:1) Single malt, always and only. The difference between single malt and blended scotch is like the difference between vintage wine and cheap supermarket plonk.


Yes, Master. I shall follow your instructions and seek enlightenment, next time I buy liquor.

Potemkin wrote:2) As for bourbon, that foul concoction should never pass your lips.


Heresy. You're on my territory now you kilted commie bastard! ;)

Craft Bourbon may just restore your soul and bring you back from the Dark Side.

https://vinepair.com/buy-this-booze/7-o ... ve-to-try/
#14863005
Heisenberg wrote:Just to throw petrol onto the bonfire...

Irn Bru vs Coca Cola. Discuss.

*Runs away giggling*


last time I checked, soft drinks were for children, the easily manipulated masses, third worlders who lack clean water, and for women to mix and thereby ruin spirits.
#14863008
Heisenberg wrote:Irn Bru is literally brewed from girders. If he has any self respect as a Scot, Potemkin will not take kindly to that post, VS


My soft drinks would be brewed from the blackened innards of scotsmen, and such would still only be fit for women. 8)
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:Yes, but my hypothetical is about Brexiteers becoming a majority, so how is this relevant?

And likewise, why does cooperation with the European Union NECESSITATE being a member of the EU? The United States could cooperate with the EU on most of these issues without becoming a member-state, so why couldn't the same be true for Britain?



That wasn't the point under discussion, the point under discussion was whether brexiteers thought so, to which I cited multiple sources including quotes from Nigel Farage himself (the voice of Brexit) and you simply dismissed him as a bigot and left it at that. I am not arguing what view is more popular in britian overall and, in fact, that point is just as contentious of a discussion as to whether Americans support Trump's wall or not. I have no interest in getting into a quarrel over a very divisive aspect of English partisan politics.

Whether I am from Europe or Britain is quite irrelevant to the validity of my arguments, to say otherwise is a genetic fallacy.

No, your plot involved

a scenario where the parliament was looking to ratify a “remain” vote for the EU after the state opening of parliament itself. We also have this planned vote becoming unpopular in the polls due to an uptick in domestic Islamic terrorism, with the remain vote in parliament having an approval of less than 22% among eligible voting Brits

so you were thinking that over half the Remainers would be turned into Leavers by increased Islamic terrorism. You're assigning this belief that the EU enables Islamic terrorism to people who are currently Remainers.

Farage was not the "voice of Brexit"; most Brexiters, in the Tory party, kept well away from him. He is, after all, an arsehole and a bigot.

"I have no interest in getting into a quarrel over a very divisive aspect of English partisan politics" - then why the fuck start a thread about it? Your OP is chock full of divisive claims - that a leftist might assassinate a Tory PM, that parliament would decide to remain in the EU despite a massive increase in public opinion to leave, that the public would link Islamic terrorism to the EU, and that a member of the royal family would mount a coup as a result.
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