[Atlantis]

Lock her up, lock her up!

ECCHR’s legal intervention filed with the German Federal Public Prosecutor (Generalbundesanwalt – GBA) is aimed at securing an arrest warrant for CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel. Haspel was appointed to the post by President Donald Trump in February 2017. The information submitted to the GBA by ECCHR on 6 June 2017 documents Haspel’s role in the torture of detainees in 2002 at a secret CIA prison in Thailand. In the dossier, ECCHR argues that Haspel oversaw the daily torture of detainees at the black site in 2002 and failed to do anything to stop it.

“Those who commit, order or allow torture should be brought before a court – this is especially true for senior officials from powerful nations,” said ECCHR’s General Secretary Wolfgang Kaleck. “The prosecutor must, under the principle of universal jurisdiction, open investigations, secure evidence and seek an arrest warrant. If the deputy director travels to Germany or Europe, she must be arrested.”


CIA Torture: Submission on Gina Haspel to German Federal Prosecutor (June 2017)
Germany_Submission_Gina Haspel_CIA_Torture_2017066.pdf (416.7 KiB)

US torture program: ECCHR’s legal interventions filed with the German Federal Public Prosecutor since 2014

This submission is a follow-up to a criminal complaint on the US torture program filed by ECCHR with the German prosecutors on 17 December 2014. ECCHR is calling for an investigation into the US torture program as a whole and all the members of the government, CIA and military who bear responsibility for the program.

Directly after the publication, in December 2014, of the US Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture, ECCHR submitted a criminal complaint to the GBA – based on the principle of universal jurisdiction – regarding former CIA director George Tenet, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other members of the US government under George Bush (for download see below).

In July 2015, further information was filed regarding the CIA torture program and in particular senior CIA agent Frances B. This was followed in summer 2016 by submissions offering witness testimony from former detainees.

ECCHR accuses Tenet, Rumsfeld and the other named suspects of the war crime of torture under Article 8 Paragraph 1(3) of the German Code of Crimes under International Law. That acts of torture occurred as part of the US program was confirmed in the US Senate Intelligence Committee Report.

No impunity for torture in Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib and CIA secret prisons
“Those responsible for designing and implementing the torture system – politicians, officials, intelligence agents, lawyers and high-ranking army officials – should be brought before a court,” said ECCHR General Secretary Wolfgang Kaleck. “With investigations into Deputy Director Gina Haspel, Germany can help ensure that rendition, abuse and unlawful detention do not go unpunished.”

One section of the December 2014 US Senate report addresses the case of the German
Khaled El Masri, who was abducted by CIA agents in 2004 in a case of mistaken identity and tortured in a secret detention camp in Afghanistan.

In July 2015, ECCHR filed a follow-up submission to the December 2014 criminal complaint containing information on the El Masri case and including allegations against senior CIA agent Frances B. She is said to have been involved in the decisions on the rendition and prolonged detention of El Masri and may thus be criminally liable for war crimes as well as unlawful detention and dangerous bodily injury. In the submission ECCHR also named witnesses who could give evidence on the overall US torture program.

Germany must issue arrest warrants against the "architects of the US torture program"
In a further submission to the prosecutor in June 2016, ECCHR provided details of witnesses currently living in Germany who survived torture in Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib and who are prepared to give statements and to assist investigations. ECCHR also detailed the links between the CIA torture program and torture by the US military.

ECCHR is calling on the German Federal Public Prosecutor to investigate Haspel, Frances B., Tenet, Rumsfeld and the other accused, to secure evidence and to work towards issuing arrest warrants. This would allow German authorities to react swiftly should any of the suspects travel to Europe, instead of waiting until such a time to begin complex investigations and legal assessments.

ECCHR General Secretary Kaleck, together with the US Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), submitted criminal complaints against Tenet and Rumsfeld in Germany in 2004 and 2006 and against George Bush in Switzerland in 2011. ECCHR is also involved in proceedings in Belgium, France and Spain concerning detention at Guantánamo.

ECCHR

[foxdemon]

The Americans could deal with this quite easily. Charge and arrest the accused, put them on trial, find them not guilty and then you can’t get them. Double jeopardy.

[Crantag]

The Americans could deal with this quite easily. Charge and arrest the accused, put them on trial, find them not guilty and then you can’t get them. Double jeopardy.

So you are advocating the establishing of sham courts set up with the express purpose of delivering 'not-guilty' verdicts, in the aim of establishing a technical basis whereby said subjects might establish a defense against being tried in other countries?

This strikes me as a bit convoluted.

One obvious flaw in your proposed schema is the potential difficulty in assuring that all of the officers of said court are whole-heatedly committed to this conspiracy; and that they themselves would be completely and certifiably shielded from any and all potential repercussions of their fraudulent activity in the service of the perverse agenda, both in the here-and-now, and down the road.

The US may be proto-fascist, but I don't know that it is full-blown fascist enough to pull off your little proposal there.

[foxdemon]

So you are advocating the establishing of sham courts set up with the express purpose of delivering 'not-guilty' verdicts, in the aim of establishing a technical basis whereby said subjects might establish a defense against being tried in other countries?

This strikes me as a bit convoluted.

One obvious flaw in your proposed schema is the potential difficulty in assuring that all of the officers of said court are whole-heatedly committed to this conspiracy; and that they themselves would be completely and certifiably shielded from any and all potential repercussions of their fraudulent activity in the service of the perverse agenda, both in the hear-and-now, and down the road.

The US may be proto-fascist, but I don't know that it is full-blown fascist enough to pull off your little proposal there.

Not advocating it. Just saying they could.

[Heisenberg]

I can envisage precisely no scenario in which any country in the European Union would arrest and prosecute a sitting CIA director. Get real, for fuck's sake.

[Oxymoron]

So i am begining to think Europe would prefer to speak Russian.

[blackjack21]

ECCHR’s legal intervention filed with the German Federal Public Prosecutor (Generalbundesanwalt – GBA) is aimed at securing an arrest warrant for CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel. Haspel was appointed to the post by President Donald Trump in February 2017. The information submitted to the GBA by ECCHR on 6 June 2017 documents Haspel’s role in the torture of detainees in 2002 at a secret CIA prison in Thailand. In the dossier, ECCHR argues that Haspel oversaw the daily torture of detainees at the black site in 2002 and failed to do anything to stop it.

That's so cool. Godstud lives in Thailand under a military government where they have a CIA site where they torture people.

The Americans could deal with this quite easily. Charge and arrest the accused, put them on trial, find them not guilty and then you can’t get them. Double jeopardy.

The US is not a signatory to that treaty. We could address that even more easiliy: ban imports from Germany to the United States. Their economy would collapse overnight.

So you are advocating the establishing of sham courts set up with the express purpose of delivering 'not-guilty' verdicts, in the aim of establishing a technical basis whereby said subjects might establish a defense against being tried in other countries?

This strikes me as a bit convoluted.

Trying a citizen of one country for a tagential relationship to other citizens of the said country who may have tortured a citizen of a second country at a detention facility in a third country by a fourth country is certainly a bit more convoluted than anything foxdemon articulated.

[Crantag]

Trying a citizen of one country for a tagential relationship to other citizens of the said country who may have tortured a citizen of a second country at a detention facility in a third country by a fourth country is certainly a bit more convoluted than anything foxdemon articulated.

One could argue what you have described is convoluted, though I don't accept that it is more convoluted. What is more, my personal sentiments aside, I was pointing out what I regarded as a flaw in his reasoning; on the premise that I don't think the US is quite fascist enough for what he described to be a realistic tactic at the present.

[Potemkin]

New CIA chief could face arrest in Europe

"Fuck the EU!" - Victoria Nuland, former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State.

[Decky]

If only this were enforceable. Imagine all of them, Bush, Blair, Obama, Clinton and the rest of the right wing trash all in a cell together.

[Rich]

If only this were enforceable. Imagine all of them, Bush, Blair, Obama, Clinton and the rest of the right wing trash all in a cell together.

Obama and Clinton are left wing. By definition the left wing must be pretty much the same size as the right wing. The left and right are relative to time and place. They are not descriptions of fixed ideologies. So we describe Bukharin as being on the right, because he was on the right of Soviet politics in the late 1920s. This doesn't mean he was a conservative.

[ThirdTerm]

Gina Haspel, the veteran CIA undercover officer President Donald Trump picked on Tuesday to head the agency, is supported by many in the U.S. intelligence community but has faced criticism for overseeing a secret CIA prison in Thailand where detainees were tortured.

Intelligence officers who served with her, and congressional officials said that in 2002, during Republican President George W. Bush’s administration, she was responsible for the secret prison code-named “Cat’s Eye.” Two suspected members of the al Qaeda militant group were subjected to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques at the facility.

Three years later, still during Bush’s presidency, she carried out an order to destroy videotapes of the waterboarding, which simulates drowning and is considered a form of torture, according to those people.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1GP2C1

If confirmed by the Senate, Haspel would become the first woman to lead the CIA but her appointment is likely to be rejected by the Senate. Probably she was picked by Trump to head the CIA because of her gender despite her poor resume. Rand Paul said he would try to block the nomination, accusing her of having shown “joyful glee” during the torture of terrorism suspects.

[Albert]

If confirmed by the Senate, Haspel would become the first woman to lead the CIA but her appointment is likely to be rejected by the Senate. Probably she was picked by Trump to head the CIA because of her gender despite her poor resume. Rand Paul said he would try to block the nomination, accusing her of having shown “joyful glee” during the torture of terrorism suspects.

Saeko?

I believe whomever Trump will try to nominate, will be nominated for political reasons first. Trump will try to install someone who will do his bidding.

[Decky]

Obama and Clinton are left wing. By definition the left wing must be pretty much the same size as the right wing. The left and right are relative to time and place. They are not descriptions of fixed ideologies. So we describe Bukharin as being on the right, because he was on the right of Soviet politics in the late 1920s. This doesn't mean he was a conservative.

They were both Neo cons no different to Bush II politically. If Obama was left wing then Bush must have been too.

[Atlantis]

"Fuck the EU!" - Victoria Nuland, former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State.

Yeah Pot, it's payback time, "fuck the US" and "fuck the UK too!"

[Potemkin]

Yeah Pot, it's payback time, "fuck the US" and "fuck the UK too!"

[skinster]

"Fuck the EU!" - Victoria Nuland, former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State.

What was that related to?

That woman is horrifying in the documentary A Very Heavy Agenda.

[Sivad]

:lol:

What was that related to?

A leaked phone conversation of Nuland talking to the US ambassador to Ukraine about who they planned to install as president of Ukraine.

[Atlantis]

If only this were enforceable.

It can be enforceable if we all support the rule of law in our common legal framework of the EU.

[foxdemon]

It can be enforceable if we all support the rule of law in our common legal framework of the EU.

Rule of law means not just that no one is above the law, it also means everyone is subject to the law equally. If you are serious about it, where is the arrest warrant for Xi Jinping?

Rule by law is where the law is applied differently between people, typically for political reasons resulting is some people being protected by it but not subject to it, while others are subject to the law but not protected by it.

You can’t claim to be upholding rule of law unless you arrest the Chinese as well as the Americans.