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The Globe and Mail KRISZTINA THAN AND GERGELY SZAKACS
BUDAPEST, HUNGARY,
REUTERS
PUBLISHED APRIL 8, 2018
UPDATED 59 MINUTES AGO



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Prime Minister Viktor Orban won a third straight term in power in Sunday elections after his anti-immigration campaign message secured a strong majority for his party in parliament, granting him two-thirds of seats based on preliminary results.

The right wing nationalist prime minister projected himself as a saviour of Hungary’s Christian culture against Muslim migration into Europe, an image which resonated with millions of voters, especially in rural areas.

“We have won, Hungary has won a great victory,” a jubilant Orban told a large crowd of cheering supporters near the Danube river in Budapest.

“There is a big battle behind us, we have won a crucial victory, giving ourself a chance to defend Hungary.”

According to preliminary results with 93 per cent of votes counted, National Election Office data projected Fidesz to win 133 seats, a tight two-thirds majority in the 199-seat parliament. Nationalist Jobbik was projected to win 26 seats, while the Socialists were projected as third with 20 lawmakers.

Two smaller leftist parties, DK and LMP, won nine and eight seats respectively.

That means Orban could have a two-thirds majority for a third time, and powers to change constitutional laws. The EU has struggled to respond as Orban’s government has, in the view of its critics, used its two landslide victories in 2010 and 2014 to erode democratic checks and balances.

The victory could embolden Orban to put more muscle into a Central European alliance against the European Union’s migration policies. Orban, Hungary’s longest-serving post-communist premier, opposes deeper integration of the bloc and – teaming up with Poland – has been a fierce critique of Brussels’ policies.

He expressed gratitude to Poland’s leaders for their backing ahead of the vote.

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen, president of the National Front, was the first to congratulate Orban.

“Great and clear victory for Viktor Orban in Hungary: reversal of values and mass immigration as promoted by the EU are rejected again. Nationalists could win a majority in Europe at the next European elections in 2019,” Le Pen tweeted.



OPPOSITION LEADERS RESIGN

The election produced a turnout of around 70 per cent, exceeding the past three votes.

Some analysts say Fidesz’s support was the strongest in small towns and villages.

With his firm grip on state media and his business allies in control of regional newspapers, Orban’s message was amplified in the countryside. There, many people only watch the state television news channel, which has showed immigrants causing trouble in western European cities night after night.

The strongest opposition party in the new parliament is the formerly far-right Jobbik, which has recast its image as a more moderate nationalist force.

It campaigned on an anti-corruption agenda and urged higher wages to lure back hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who have left Hungary for western Europe.

Jobbik’s leader Gabor Vona said he would tender his resignation after the defeat.

“Jobbik’s goal, to win the elections and force a change in government, was not achieved. Fidesz won. It won again,” he said.

The Socialists’ entire leadership also resigned.

Critics say Orban has put Hungary on an increasingly authoritarian path and his stance on immigration has fuelled xenophobia.

With a message that he stands for all Hungarians against foreign meddling, Orban tapped into feelings shared by many Hungarians who perceive threats to their national identity and feel they are treated as second-class citizens in the EU.

He seized the moment when on Jan. 12 2015, he said immigration into Europe should be largely halted after Paris attacks launched by Islamist extremists.

“We should not look at economic immigration as if it had any use, because it only brings trouble and threats to European people,” he told state television then. “Therefore, immigration must be stopped. That’s the Hungarian stance.”

In September 2015 he built a razor-wire fence on the Serbian border to keep out tens of thousands of migrants fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and Africa. Since then his government has enacted a series of laws to control migration, and his tough measures have been sharply criticized by the United Nations.

After casting his vote in a wealthy district of Budapest, he said he would stand up for Hungary’s interests.

Asked by journalists if he was fighting the European Union, Orban said: “The EU is not in Brussels. The EU is in Berlin, in Budapest, in Prague and in Bucharest.”

MIGRATION ‘LIKE RUST’

Orban’s strong win could boost other right-wing nationalists in Central Europe, in Poland and in neighbouring Austria, and expose cracks in the 28-nation EU.

Orban, 54, has curbed the powers of the constitutional court, increased control of the media and appointed loyalists to key positions.

He is credited with keeping the budget deficit under control, reducing unemployment and some of Hungary’s debt, and putting its economy on a growth track.

On Friday, at his closing campaign rally, he vowed to protect his nation from Muslim migrants, saying: “Migration is like rust that slowly but surely would consume Hungary.”

The anti-immigration campaign has gone down well with many of the roughly two million core voters of Fidesz.

Orban is expected to continue his economic policies, with income tax cuts and incentives to boost growth, analysts have said.

His business allies are expected to expand their economic domains. Businessmen close to Fidesz have acquired stakes in major industries like banking, energy, construction and tourism, profiting from EU funds.
Orban 3 - Soros 0.

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Supermajority in parliament with <50% of the votes, nice electoral law by Fidesz.

Besides, this is interesting:
https://verfassungsblog.de/only-fidesz- ... n-hungary/

Orban granted citizenship to ~1m ethnic Hungarians living in neighboring countries. They can vote by mail, while expats (Hungarian emigrants, ~500k) must turn up at the embassy or consulate.

Anyway, unlike Putain and Erdogangster Orban doesn't arrest his political opponents yet. Let's see how long that will take.
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Rugoz wrote:Orban granted citizenship to ~1m ethnic Hungarians living in neighboring countries.

They used to be Hungarians living in Hungary but a huge part of Hungary got divided among the neighbouring countries.
Part of my family originated from one of those territories (Transylvania in Romania) but they spoke exclusively Hungarian among themselves.
I think I also qualify to become a Hungarian citizen...
The way things are going in Europe that sounds more and more like an attractive option.
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I welcome the success of ‘populism’, but I understand why we should be concerned whether the leaders are taking us where we want to go or whether they are using us to get where they want to go. The history of Europe makes this a concern everyone should share and be diligent about observing every step that is taken.
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Well everything is seen through a sickening extreme racist lens. Germans Hungarians and Bulgarians are evil, Jews are the innocent victims of the last 3000 years. Romanians, Balts and Finns seem to have retained their good guy image despite siding with the Nazis in WWII. The Serbs though have utterly transformed from the innocent nation of peace of 1914 to the evil demons of the 1990s.
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Netanyahu congratulates Orban on reelection, invites him to Israel

After landslide poll victory for Hungarian leader, PM thanks him for supporting Israel in international forums

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Hungary’s newly reelected leader Viktor Orban on Monday to congratulate him on his victory in Sunday’s general elections.

Netanyahu invited his Hungarian counterpart to visit Israel, according to a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office. A Channel 10 news report said Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Orban.

The premier also thanked Orban for “Hungary’s support for Israel in international forums,” the statement continued.

In December, Hungary was one of 35 countries that abstained on a United Nations General assembly vote condemning US President Donald Trump’s decision to relocate the United States’ embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Netanyahu met Orban during a four-day official visit to Hungary last July, and similarly praised Orban for his support for Israel.

“You’ve done that time and again,” Netanyahu said at the time. “We appreciate this stance, not only because it’s standing with Israel, but it’s also standing with the truth.”

Budapest is at “the forefront of the states that are opposed to this anti-Jewish policy, and I welcome it,” the prime minister added.

Orban praised Netanyahu at the time as a “dedicated patriot,” adding that this is the key to his country’s success.

“There’s a lot for us to learn from Israel, ladies and gentlemen, because Israel teaches the world and us also that if you don’t fight for something, you will lose it,” he said. “Because nowadays, you have to fight for everything in the modern world.”

Orban was elected Sunday to his third consecutive term on a controversial anti-migrant platform, with his Fidesz party winning a super-majority.

Fidesz and its small ally, the Christian Democrat party, won a two-thirds majority, which is enough to make changes to the constitution.

Orban late Sunday celebrated what he called a “decisive victory.”

The far-right Jobbik party placed second with 26 seats, while a Socialist-led, left-wing coalition came in third with 20 seats.

Germany’s conservative interior minister welcomed Orban’s “very clear election victory” and warned the European Union against showing arrogance.

Horst Seehofer said he would congratulate Orban on behalf of his Christian Social Union party. As Bavaria’s governor until last month, Seehofer sparred with Chancellor Angela Merkel over her migration policy and invited Orban to gatherings of his party.

German news agency dpa reported that Seehofer warned the EU against a “policy of arrogance and paternalism” and said bilateral ties with EU countries are always important even when there are differences.

However, Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn slammed Orban’s anti-migrant stance and called on other European nations to reject it.

He was quoted Monday as telling German daily Die Welt: “Today it is Hungary and Poland, tomorrow others in eastern and central Europe, even a big founding country of the EU, could develop a taste for undermining values and scaremongering.”

He added that after the Hungarian election “it is up to Germany and France, along with all member states that aren’t counting on indifference, to weigh in unambiguously on the basis of the European treaties to neutralize this tumor of values.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu ... to-israel/

Sometimes one has to chose the lesser of two evils.
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skinster wrote:Muslims are worse than neonazis? Is that what you're saying?

You are quick to use your hateful jargon.
- are a majority of the Hungarian voters neo nazis ? Or just right wing because of circumstances (EU, Germany) ?
- I don't think that Muslims are worse than neo nazis but I do appreciate that Orban and the Hungarian people wish to preserve the character of Hungary and stop a million Muslims from invading in the guise of immigration. And then outbreeding the locals and moulding the country according to their medieval values.
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The leadership has indicated that there will be anti-Soros measures implemented in Hungary, including a total ban on civic groups and ngo's promoting pro-migrant/illegal border crossing policies in the country and the arrest of individuals who engage in the same. Good riddance. There's many German groups and individuals who smuggle migrants into central Europe and Italy.
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Ter wrote:You are quick to use your hateful jargon.
- are a majority of the Hungarian voters neo nazis ? Or just right wing because of circumstances (EU, Germany) ?


The people you're cheering for want Hungary cleansed of not just Muslims, but Jews too. They celebrate people in Hungary's past who expelled Jews during WW2.

I don't think that Muslims are worse than neo nazis but I do appreciate that Orban and the Hungarian people wish to preserve the character of Hungary and stop a million Muslims from invading in the guise of immigration. And then outbreeding the locals and moulding the country according to their medieval values.


Just stop reading The Gatestone Institute and other Islamophobic propaganda, it's making you stupid.
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skinster wrote:Just stop reading The Gatestone Institute and other Islamophobic propaganda, it's making you stupid.

Interesting, nobody answers the points I make about massive Muslim immigration, just attacking my sources and calling me names.
There was a reason why Orban got re-elected with a super majority.
And why like-minded governments are in office in Poland, Austria, and soon also in Italy ?
Did all his voters get confused by reading the same sources like I ?
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It is time to take a stand against the sickening ideology of anti-Nazism. The Germans were the victims of allied aggression in world war I and then the victims of a hypocritical peace treaty that made Germans take the blame for Serbian, Russian, and French aggression and British perfidy. Blaming the Jews for their defeat was wrong and completely untrue, but given the situation and the shocking Balfour declaration totally unsurprising. The Germans were ultimately just the victims of unlucky geography, having ethnic overlap with the French, Belgians, Dutch, Danish, Polish, Czechs, Slovenes, Italians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians.

It was right for us in Britain and France to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939, and something we can be deeply proud of. It was shameful of the United States, Belgium, Switzerland, Sweden and the other neutral democracies not to join us. It was right not because the Nazis were unique evil, but because Germany was so powerful. This was the justification for ignoring and later allying with the truly evil nation, Saudi Arabia.

Up until 1939 the Nazis treated Jews better than the Saudis did. A Saudi occupation of Britain would have been far worse than a Nazi one. Its just that Islam is such a corrupt and bankrupt culture that there was never much risk of that eventuality, until we chose to voluntarily flood our country with Muslims.
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Ter wrote:Interesting, nobody answers the points I make about massive Muslim immigration, just attacking my sources and calling me names.
There was a reason why Orban got re-elected with a super majority.
And why like-minded governments are in office in Poland, Austria, and soon also in Italy ?
Did all his voters get confused by reading the same sources like I ?


http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/reli ... rcent/all/

According to this spurce, the percentage of Muslims right now is less than 0.1%. It is expected to rise to 0.4% by 2050.

This is a vanishingly small minority. There will be more converts to atheism than Muslim immigrants.
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You people realize that if it was not for Orban Hungary would have faces the same migration as Austria and Germany did. And they now would have had the same issues with crime and disorder. That is why there is so little Muslims there because of Orban, he protected his people to begin with. That is why he got reelected.

Hungarians are not mostly brainwashed idiots like Germans (particularly from west Germany) that keep voting for Markel even thought that woman raped their nation literally.
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