- 29 Apr 2018 05:22
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I consider myself 'well read'.
The only place I can think of where multiculturalism worked well is Canada.
All other examples in history were not democracies. And they always had violent conflicts that the King or Emperor had to control.
Lebanon worked for a while and then was torn apart by the civil war there.
If there are actually no democratic examples in history then ---
I think that the current experiment in Europe was doomed from the get go.
It was especially doomed because it didn't aim for assimilation but rather for multiculturalism. And the 2 cultures were totally not compatible. One hated pedophiles, gave women rights, respected freedom of speech & religion, gave the minority the right to disagree without being murdered for that, and the right of the loyal opposition to try to regain political power. The other doesn't agree with any of these things. Please note I'm talking here about what the cultures believe, individuals can and do vary from the generalizations. But, culture runs deep in the human mind and can resurface easily.
I assert the the word 'culture' encompasses the outliers also unless they are being actively suppressed. For example in the 1840s Mormonism was being driven out of town so an argument could be made that Mormonism was not *then* a part of American culture. OTOH, American culture has never suppressed the ability of pimps to enslave runaway girls into prostitution. Therefore, this form of slavery is a part of American culture and would very likely be brought along if Americans colonized a new planet or place on earth.
. . Therefore, I assert that the actions of people like ISIS are a part of the culture being brought into Europe. That *some* of the new Europeans (i.e. immigrants) will act on their beliefs that such actions are totally OK or even in some cases required.
I saw a youtube video of a debate in NY City on the statement "Islam is a religion of peace". You can easily find it still. At one point one of the No-side said that moderate Muslims don't say more against the extremists because "they would be killed/murdered". The Yes-side didn't strongly assert that this was ridiculous, they seemed to agree that such thinks were slightly common. In fact the 2 women panelists (1 on each side) both had fatawas against them. So it seems that being a loud moderate Muslin who wants Islam to moderate more is likely to get an extremist to to kill them. This, therefore, seems like part of Islamic culture.
The only place I can think of where multiculturalism worked well is Canada.
All other examples in history were not democracies. And they always had violent conflicts that the King or Emperor had to control.
Lebanon worked for a while and then was torn apart by the civil war there.
If there are actually no democratic examples in history then ---
I think that the current experiment in Europe was doomed from the get go.
It was especially doomed because it didn't aim for assimilation but rather for multiculturalism. And the 2 cultures were totally not compatible. One hated pedophiles, gave women rights, respected freedom of speech & religion, gave the minority the right to disagree without being murdered for that, and the right of the loyal opposition to try to regain political power. The other doesn't agree with any of these things. Please note I'm talking here about what the cultures believe, individuals can and do vary from the generalizations. But, culture runs deep in the human mind and can resurface easily.
I assert the the word 'culture' encompasses the outliers also unless they are being actively suppressed. For example in the 1840s Mormonism was being driven out of town so an argument could be made that Mormonism was not *then* a part of American culture. OTOH, American culture has never suppressed the ability of pimps to enslave runaway girls into prostitution. Therefore, this form of slavery is a part of American culture and would very likely be brought along if Americans colonized a new planet or place on earth.
. . Therefore, I assert that the actions of people like ISIS are a part of the culture being brought into Europe. That *some* of the new Europeans (i.e. immigrants) will act on their beliefs that such actions are totally OK or even in some cases required.
I saw a youtube video of a debate in NY City on the statement "Islam is a religion of peace". You can easily find it still. At one point one of the No-side said that moderate Muslims don't say more against the extremists because "they would be killed/murdered". The Yes-side didn't strongly assert that this was ridiculous, they seemed to agree that such thinks were slightly common. In fact the 2 women panelists (1 on each side) both had fatawas against them. So it seems that being a loud moderate Muslin who wants Islam to moderate more is likely to get an extremist to to kill them. This, therefore, seems like part of Islamic culture.