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Beren wrote:Hitler became chancellor as a Bavarian, not as an Austrian, he started to make a political career in Bavaria, not Austria, he also served in the Bavarian Army. His nationality was Austrian, but his politics was Bavarian.


He couldn't have run for a political office in Germany without taking on German nationality. However, you were talking about Trump's ancestors' original nationality, not the one they assumed later.
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Atlantis wrote:He couldn't have run for a political office in Germany without taking on German nationality. However, you were talking about Trump's ancestors' original nationality, not the one they assumed later.

German citizenship, more precisely. I still wouldn't say Hitler was German though, he was Austrian-Bavarian, in my opinion.

However, Trump would be a real Bavarian if his family could have stayed there. :lol:
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Atlantis wrote:We had to be reeducated after the war,

Adolph Hitler was absolutely right, that Germany wasn't to blame for starting WWI and the Versailles treaty was unjust and totally hypocritical. Of course he was wrong about a lot of things, notably, no the Jews were not to blame for Germany's predicament, not even a little bit. If it hadn't been for international Jewry and Zionists general favourability to Germany and the Central Powers early in the war and so called "Judo-Bolsheviks" actions in Russia, Germany would have lost WWI earlier.

The allies demands for unconditional surrender, which were implicit from September 1939, were utterly wicked. However the allies should have sentenced Adoph Hitler to death, by acts of parliaments and made handing him over for execution, as long as remained alive a non-negotiable peace demand.
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Rich wrote:Adolph Hitler was absolutely right, that Germany wasn't to blame for starting WWI and the Versailles treaty was unjust and totally hypocritical.


Versailles was wrong. In hindsight, most people would agree with that; however, Germany was wrong to rush into WWI. Whatever the perceived threat of the Franco-Russian alliance, Germany would have done better aiming for a diplomatic arrangement with the other powers. Rather than trying to compete with the British naval presence, they should have developed Eurasian economies (starting with the Berlin to Baghdad railway) like the Chinese are attempting today with their One Road and Belt initiative. They had their opportunity and the messed it up. History only knocks once.
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The only flaw with Versailles was being too soft with the Germans. Germany should have been broken up into the statelets of the Holy Roman Empire again. A united Germany will always be a threat to the freedoms of its neighbors. Look at the EU today. Hitler's dream made a reality.
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Rich wrote:Adolph Hitler was absolutely right, that Germany wasn't to blame for starting WWI and the Versailles treaty was unjust and totally hypocritical.


Err, why, in *that* respect he was correct, yes.

Thats also why the USA didnt signed that treaty back then, too.

A lot of people thought this way back then, so I have no idea why you specifically name Hitler. Its not exactly a very original idea.

I also dont see how this is disputed among modern historians. Its pretty bloody obvious that the world started to prepare for WW1 decades before WW1 even happened. People talked of it back in the 1880s already. Bismarck himself had started the conflict between France and Germany and it only got worse and worse afterwards. Nobody managed to resolve it and at a certain point war became pretty inevitable, people only waited for it to happen.



Atlantis wrote: [...] Germany was wrong to rush into WWI. [...]


At the time Germany had declared war, all politicial negotiations had ended and everyone was already preparing for it. That Germany was the first to state it publically was a mere technicality.



Beren wrote:Hitler would hate the EU actually, and he'd detest the Bundesrepublik and Merkel too, of course.


You're not wrong, but thats more of a praise.
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Negotiator wrote:At the time Germany had declared war, all politicial negotiations had ended and everyone was already preparing for it. That Germany was the first to state it publically was a mere technicality.


Diplomacy never ends. It's just sometimes interrupted by war, which is usually a mistake. The Serbians accepted most of the Austrian conditions, and even if the Serbian government didn't really control the Black Hand, the Austrians wouldn't have rushed into war if Berlin hadn't given its backing. Technically, the Russians mobilized 1 day before Berlin declared war, but that doesn't really mean much. The war could have been avoided. The decision to go to war was based on erroneous intelligence. Nobody expected it to escalate as it did.

Negotiator wrote:Its pretty bloody obvious that the world started to prepare for WW1 decades before WW1 even happened. People talked of it back in the 1880s already. Bismarck himself had started the conflict between France and Germany and it only got worse and worse afterwards. Nobody managed to resolve it and at a certain point war became pretty inevitable, people only waited for it to happen.


That's typical German self-flagellation. Prior to WWI, Europe was in a constant state of war. Britain hasn't been without war for a single year in the last 300 years of its history. The fact that these conflicts kept on simmering for centuries didn't mean that they had to escalate into WWI. Conflicts could have been contained just like all the frozen conflicts Putin gets into these days.

The idea that Germany needed Lebensraum in the East because it couldn't compete with the British navy for overseas possessions is proven wrong by today's imperialist control by economic or financial means. Germany could never have controlled the entire continent by physically occupying it. It would have done much better to economically develop Central Asia and the ME together with the Russians. The Brits would have tried to throw a spanner into the works, but they couldn't have prevented it if there had been a political decision.
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The strategy of the US and its ambassador in Germany is pretty clear. The US wants to strengten the alt-right movements in Europe in order to foster anti-EU sentiments. The US wants to destabilize Inner-European cooperation because they see the EU as a systemic threat to the US dominance. Thats also the reason why the US pushes the Europeans to take a stance against Russia. Its a well known doctrine of American foreign policy. Because the Americans fear a Euro-Russian alliance which could possibly challenge the US pre-dominance.

Its a typical imperial strategy the US wants to implement in Europe, because only a defragmented Europa, read single/small European nations, is easy to control.
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