- 05 Nov 2017 15:10
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Decky and foxdemon didn't address this point and ingliz is an EU citizen. I addressed the point and if I had my way we would indeed federalism the entire continent. It would create Europe as the leading superpower and save costs that could go into reform and promote growth. But you are naive to think the UK are the anchor to prevent this from occuring (but they certainty are an obstacle). With or without Brexit, this kind of policy is many many years from occuring from changing all the minds in heartland Europe to national governments giving up many powers to Brussels. Also I doubt the majority of Europe do want the UK to leave either. What politicians might say to the media and what they say behind closed doors are two seperate things. It's a great disadvantage in mindgames to give your opponent an inch, so no, if the UK did change their mind they would be given an embrace and used as a warning for other nationalist thoughout Europe that being outside of the EU is not without cost.
As for your point about greater intergration, the EU has for years given the UK opt outs to get this far in their dream for a United Europe. It makes more sense to continue to do while the rest of Europe do indeed progress into intergration further (if the UK did indeed change their mind). Perhaps the UK might be less inclined to veto actually and be part of Europe more if they changed their mind, who knows. I suppose my point being is I doubt the UK being part of the EU will slow intergration down. The thing that is stopping it at the moment is individual states thinking of their own self interests and not the continents interest as a whole.
JohnRawls wrote:@ingliz
@B0ycey
@foxdemon
@Decky
The damage has been done already to the EU and Britain. The only way Brexit will be cancelled is by Britain agreeing to not impede further integration. Under those conditions of course we will forgive and forget. Even if Britain will want to stop Brexit at some point, there are new realities that will need to be addressed. As it is, nobody really wants Britain as part of the EU because they have been the problem child of EU for quite some time. We have bended the rules so much for Britain, yet they started Brexit anyways.
Technically Britain can cancel Brexit by itself but i doubt it will be that simple.
Almost everybody understand that cancelling Brexit will mean that Britain will again try to bend the rules and impede developments in the EU. Majority of the EU politicians do not want this.
Decky and foxdemon didn't address this point and ingliz is an EU citizen. I addressed the point and if I had my way we would indeed federalism the entire continent. It would create Europe as the leading superpower and save costs that could go into reform and promote growth. But you are naive to think the UK are the anchor to prevent this from occuring (but they certainty are an obstacle). With or without Brexit, this kind of policy is many many years from occuring from changing all the minds in heartland Europe to national governments giving up many powers to Brussels. Also I doubt the majority of Europe do want the UK to leave either. What politicians might say to the media and what they say behind closed doors are two seperate things. It's a great disadvantage in mindgames to give your opponent an inch, so no, if the UK did change their mind they would be given an embrace and used as a warning for other nationalist thoughout Europe that being outside of the EU is not without cost.
As for your point about greater intergration, the EU has for years given the UK opt outs to get this far in their dream for a United Europe. It makes more sense to continue to do while the rest of Europe do indeed progress into intergration further (if the UK did indeed change their mind). Perhaps the UK might be less inclined to veto actually and be part of Europe more if they changed their mind, who knows. I suppose my point being is I doubt the UK being part of the EU will slow intergration down. The thing that is stopping it at the moment is individual states thinking of their own self interests and not the continents interest as a whole.
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