B0ycey wrote:The leaflet that was posted wasn't a manifesto. It was propaganda bullshit. A threat of 100+ million Turkish migrants moving to Britain is hardly a pledge.
Turkish membership of the EU pretty much hinges on the UK vote however. So unlikely to occur at all now.
Well clearly people did vote for different reasons. Which Brexiteers are asking to leave with no deal? Who is asking to walk away? Sure there are people who say it is better than a bad deal, but even Johnson isn't asking us to fuck off and go it alone. They still hope for a deal with cherries on top.
I don't remember anyone who campaigned for Brexit saying that we were going to walk away from Europe and start again at the expense of our economy. There were plenty saying Europe would beg us for a trade deal as they sell more to us than we sell to them. And we were promised a bonanza of cash that would pay for our NHS, but not that we would all be worse off financially and jobs would be lost.
There was a reason why Johnson and Goves looked like shitting their pants when the results came in. They didn't want to win. They wanted to a close loss so they could campaign on a notion of EU reform.
Democracy is about changing your choices. We now know what Brexit entails when before we didn't. Are you afraid of another referendum because you know what was promised cannot be delivered so unlikely to win this time round? Although in British law the referendum was not legally binding and actual democracy is in elected representation. So surely parliament should decide on the fate on our EU membership if you are preaching democracy.
Brexit will go no where with Corbyn in charge of negotiations as well. He too is a cherry picker. But while a transition period is in place, it just keeps the EU and UK economy going until someone realises the only actual solution to any of this is being part of the customs union. Do we really want to compromise our standards so the Yanks can sell us GM Foods that have been fertilised in cancer pesticide anyway?
Don't remember anything about 100+ million Turks in the government leaflet.
Turkish EU membership is however for the birds with the UK to endorse them.I do remember people in the campaign saying Brexit will likely come at a hit to our economy.
I also remember the campaign bus slogan on what the EU tribute could otherwise be spent on.
I think the EU is currently begging us for a trade deal just not one that suits us.
And I also think that after we leave it will offer us a better one than it is now.
Not that I personally happen to want one.
And not that the Prime Minister of the day and every leave campaigner did not make tediously and repeatedly clear that we wouldn't get one. And that we would all be economically poorer and all your fears were made exactly clear to every one.
And everyone in the country has heard all these arguments until they are sick of hearing them. And no one at all didn't understand the issues they were voting on. Because very loud remainers dominated that campaign.
The precursor to which was
30 years of public debate.And though you yourself may not personally accept the truth of this, the country taken as a whole does.
You had your say. And it was an equal one.
Democracy is indeed about changing your choices.
Once this choice has been implemented you will be able to campaign to get it changed.
I don't really expect Corbyn to see power, if I am quite honest with you.
Nor do I expect Brexit to be left for him to have any say in it.
Unless parliament and the EU can agree a deal in the next 6 months, it's all completed before the next General election.
I don't see he him getting a chance to negotiate a deal before we leave.
Perhaps a new deal afterwards.
But that would require him getting elected and I find that a hard thing to imagine.
I Nostrodorkus predict.