B0ycey wrote:FYI Scotland would have the same deal as the rest of the EU outside the UK if a deal is made between us and they join up. This isn't about deals but respect. I agree there is a financial penalty for their independence but what you suggest is beyond the pale. And no I don't think ignoring the problem means that Westminster hold the cards. It just delays the problem and makes dissenting voice grow which over time may become violent. Plus a referendum isn't binary. You can give them the referendum and only grant independence once a WA satisfies both sides and make that clear from the offset that the rest of the UK needs to be considered too. Also you think the UK doesn't need Scotland or something? Where are those blasted subs going for a start.
Well, Scotland wanting it's own freedom, independence(not if the E.U accepted them), would face exactly the same issues as the rest of the U,K on leaving the E.U.
Unlike Eire, where the North could, on independence, join them in the E.U, without a border with the U.K, Scotland would face a real border with England, for which we would, like the E.U-NI, expect proper customs checks, along with passport controls, as well as possible tariffs, otherwise the E.U would flood England & Wales with migrants or goods etc.
We do not have to do anything about a W.A with Scotland, like the U.K leaving the E.U, it is the 'Leaving' party that has to clear up the residual issues such as debt & all the other things.
Scotland would owe the U.K a vast amount of money relatively speaking, we would not expect them to get off 'Scott free' on that issue, as for our subs, they would return south & we would shut down the shipyard at Barrow-in-Furness just to reinforce the point.
As with any reunification between the two halves of Ireland, the North would lose the Block Grant, AKA, the BARNETT Formula, for which it's economy, like Scotland were it to join the E.U, would need support from the E.U, which is already under a lot of strain economically itself.
England will not 'reward' either of those two countries were they to achieve some notional independence short term, why would we, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it's that reality that both of those countries would have to face,. of which N. Ireland would probably have some advantage over Scotland on that score, whereas Scotland would be isolated from it's immediate neighbour, physically & politically.
I personally do not see Scotland achieving separation from England, once the reality that such an event would cost the people of Scotland, they will reject it.
It's for that reason that we should allow an indyref 2, pointing out the full consequences that will immediately follow that decision & let the people decide.
When you listen to what the SNP are saying, STURGEON is correct on the point she is making, that the people of Scotland have a right to decide their position in\out of the U,K, it's just that, as the SNP accuse the Tories of lying about the effects of Brexit, so too are the SNP not revealing the consequences of the SNP crusade to the Scottish people.
Eric MORECOMBE ; "I'm playing all the 'right' notes,but, not necessarily in the 'right' order".