[foxdemon]

Seems Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt thinks so.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/12/opinions/hungary-sanctions-article-7-verhofstadt-opinion/index.html

Good on CNN, never failing to uphold neoconservative militarism. It is revealing that EU autocrats are also closet neoconservatives. There I was thinking they were socialist ratbags.

But enough of ideology. Should Hungry be invaded and given the regime change treatment?

[Zionist Nationalist]

Should Hungry be invaded and given the regime change treatment?

No.

[Beren]

Seems Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt thinks so.

Guy Verhofstadt is not Brexit negotiator. The most EU-haters and trolls know about the EU is that they viscerally hate it.

Should Hungry be invaded and given the regime change treatment?

You should have made an opinion poll on this.

[foxdemon]

Doing the opinion poll thing did cross my mind.

Since you are Hungarian, what do you think about NATO airstrikes on your neighbourhood?

Also, how does this compare to 1956? Is the EU just a new Soviet Union?


A bit of youtube political commentary.

[youtube]7R_tV1t9EyA[/youtube]

[Beren]

Doing the opinion poll thing did cross my mind.

Since you are Hungarian, what do you think about NATO airstrikes on your neighbourhood?

Also, how does this compare to 1956? Is the EU just a new Soviet Union?


A bit of youtube political commentary.

[youtube]7R_tV1t9EyA[/youtube]

What NATO airstrikes?

I actually wonder if Verhofstadt means military action, it doesn't seem so.

Political and financial costs must be attached to governments pursuing an authoritarian path and support provided to civil society organizations and the citizens of Hungary, who deserve much better than this.

Even his first name is mispronounced in the video, which I didn't watch through, of course.

[Seeker8]

The E.U isn't socialist or neo-con, Verhofstadt isn't a brexit negotiator. Why don't you show us some evidence of him advocating bombing anywhere? or just go away and stop talking pish.

You should change your name to foxnews.

[Rugoz]

I have no idea what Verhofstadt is trying to achieve with this shitty opinion piece.

[Beren]

I have no idea what Verhofstadt is trying to achieve with this shitty opinion piece.

NATO intervention in Hungary, obviously.

[Rugoz]

NATO intervention in Hungary, obviously.

I wonder, do you have an opinion on anything going on in your home country?

[Beren]

I wonder, do you have an opinion on anything going on in your home country?

I do, but I'm not here to discuss or represent Hungary.

[Rugoz]

I do, but I'm not here to discuss or represent Hungary.

And why's that? Do you think the Putin-Orban comparison is appropriate? Do you think sanctioning Hungary is legitimate and/or will achieve the desired result?

[Beren]

And why's that?

Maybe because Hungary is a special issue about which one can't find much in English on the internet and it's rather painful to discuss it with foreigners who are usually un- or misinformed about Hungary and are not really aware of the culture, the history, and the situation in general. Also, whatever I say is considered biased anyway, isn't it? Hungary is only somewhat relevant as an EU-matter anyway, it's not really interesting in and of itself on an international forum.

Do you think the Putin-Orban comparison is appropriate?

It's appropriate in the sense that Hungary could be a Russian enclave in Europe like Kaliningrad, but I'd compare Orbán to Alijev of Azerbaijan rather than Putin. They have an especially good relationship, which means there are especially good relationships between Hungary and Azerbaijan as well, he even called Azerbaijan a model state once.

Do you think sanctioning Hungary is legitimate and/or will achieve the desired result?

What's the desired result? Since Hungary couldn't join the EU in its current state, it might be legitimate, but I really wonder myself whether it would be effective. It's either too little or too late, or both, regimes like that usually require some cataclysm (end of WWI/end of WWII/end of Cold War) to fall in Hungary. However, if the US government firmly decided to overthrow him, they would succeed most likely, but even the Europeans want him only to stop being a pain in the arse, I guess.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Hungary is a sovereign country they have the right to elect whoever they want and EU/NATO have no right to intervene in the country's politics

[Independent_Srpska]

Definitely!

[skinster]

Hungary is a sovereign country they have the right to elect whoever they want and EU/NATO have no right to intervene in the country's politics

This is inconsistent with your general pro-war attitude on sovereign states or how certain people are punished for how they vote.

Weird how you support the fascists in charge in Hungary, but also not so weird too.

[Beren]

Weird how you support the fascists in charge in Hungary, but also not so weird too.

It's weird indeed that they can count on both the Israeli and the Russian governments and both Zionists and Putin fans sympathise with them.

[foxdemon]

NATO intervention in Hungary, obviously.

That really does seem to be what he is saying.

I am curious about what @Atlantis has to say. Accord to him the EU isn’t an empire. But it sure seems to want to behave like one.

It is amusing to watch a little pip squeak from a little pip squeak country call for America to come and attack his fellow Europeans. All to force unwanted immigration onto another country to give it the same problems as the pip squeak country in question. Maybe Europe does need regime change, but somewhere other than in Hungary?

[Beren]

That really does seem to be what he is saying.

How does it seem to be what he's saying?

He's talking about "political and financial costs" and that support should be provided to civil society organizations and the citizens of Hungary. He doesn't even mention anything that could indicate the need for any military intervention, of course.

[foxdemon]

How does it seem to be what he's saying?

He's talking about "political and financial costs" and that support should be provided to civil society organizations and the citizens of Hungary. He doesn't even mention anything that could indicate the need for any military intervention, of course.

A colour revolution? Sure, it is cheaper than military action. But Guy is still using neocon language.

“...threat to the rules based international order.”

“...moral obligation to intervene.”

Praising neocon icon McCain.

If I lived in Hungary, I would be very concerned about this.

So how will the neocons go about it, do you suppose? Sanctions to impoverish Hungarian citizens in order to create domestic political instability. Supporting the good old colour revolution. If that fails....air strikes.

We all know how this goes, Beren.

[Beren]

We all know how this goes, Beren.

I know how trolling usually goes, but trolls from Australia can go really far with that, its fauna must be special in that way too. So if it's not Chinese space debris falling down on me from the skies, then it's NATO airstrikes for which Verhofstadt calls?