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#15053784
snapdragon wrote:John it's Corbyn's fault.

The general consensus seems to be that people liked what Labour had to say, but they don't trust Jeremy Corbyn.

I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, but I'm not a communist, so I don't trust him, either.

As for Boris getting Brexit done. Phooey. There ain't no such thing.

Just more and more arguing for years and years, while the rich get richer and the poor get stuffed.

I was so hoping for a hung Parliament. It really was the best I could hope for.

Course, it ain't over yet, and there could be a massive turnaround, but I don't see it.


What I fear is that you underestimate the resolve of some for their lust to lead. (Johnson)

If the Tories get the majority then there is no way forward for them besides shuving Brexit down the throats of everyone in the country. You are not their supporter although there might be more of you compared to them. Farange made sure of this. I do not think that there is a possibility of compromise in this regard anymore. Brexit not being "done" is a relative term. People who voted for the Tories do not consider any damage done to the country as big enough to postpone or rethink Brexit basically.

Then on the other hand there is the split majority of the downtrodden like you so to speak. (Not using this in a derogatory meaning. It is just the reality of things right now.) You can be labour or anti-Brexit or both or whatever. There is also the SNP who are fiercly against this. Long story short, nothing good will happen in the couple of years. Worst case scenario is that Scotland leaves the UK so the Union gets smaller/dissolved.

Anyways, we will see Johnsons qualities tested in the next years. If he fails then it is going to be catastrophic.
#15053816
JohnRawls wrote:Then on the other hand there is the split majority of the downtrodden like you so to speak. (Not using this in a derogatory meaning. It is just the reality of things right now.) You can be labour or anti-Brexit or both or whatever. There is also the SNP who are fiercly against this. Long story short, nothing good will happen in the couple of years. Worst case scenario is that Scotland leaves the UK so the Union gets smaller/dissolved.


We could have said the same thing if Brexit would have been rescinded. About half the population wanted Brexit, the other half didn't. Problems and discontent either way.
I am just immensely relieved that "the friend of Hamas and Hezbollah", the guy who mourns slain terrorists and put wreaths on their graves, is going to disappear from the political scene in disgrace. Bae Corbyn ! Oh Corbyn !

I am also happy that the EU gets to swallow this huge setback. Less money for the Brussels Eurocrats, losing one of the biggest member countries definitely damaged their prestige. Lessons learnt I hope. No to federal Europe, more power to the nation states. EU should be for trade, not politics.
#15053830
Bye Bye Jeremy :lol:
General election: Jeremy Corbyn to quit as Labour leader after disastrous night


https://news.sky.com/story/general-elec ... t-11885159
Jeremy Corbyn is to stand down as Labour leader following a "period of reflection".

The party is set for its lowest number of seats since 1935 as support crumbled in its former heartlands, with the Conservatives set to win a majority of between 78 and 82.

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Mr Corbyn blamed Brexit for Labour's poor showing as he accepted victory in his Islington North constituency, while also criticising media "attacks" towards himself, his family and the party.

"I want to also make it clear that I will not lead the party in any future general election campaign," he said.

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"I will discuss with our party to ensure there is a process now of reflection on this result and on the policies that the party will take going forward.

"And I will lead the party during that period to ensure that discussion takes place and we move on into the future."

The anti-war campaigner, who has represented Islington North since 1983, ran as an outside candidate for the party leadership in 2015 and managed to outlast two Tory prime ministers. But facing his second general election defeat, Mr Corbyn announced that he would call it a day as leader as he was re-elected in his London seat.

In the 2017 election, Mr Corbyn saw his party win 262 seats - that figure is predicted to fall to between 193-199 this time around.
The writing appeared on the wall when the Tories managed to win the former mining area of Blyth Valley for the first time ever.

Labour had held the seat since it was formed in 1950, but the Conservatives managed to overturn a majority of almost 8,000 - a 10.2% swing.

Many in the party have insisted Brexit was to blame for Labour's losses - however others pointed the finger firmly at the leadership.
Labour clung onto several North East seats include Newcastle Central, Sunderland Central, Newcastle-upon-Tyne East and Houghton and Sunderland South, but with much reduced majorities.

And in her victory speech, Sunderland Central MP Julie Elliott said it had been a disastrous evening for the party and it must change.

"The party I have been a member of for 35 years has let the country down by not being good enough to win against this awful Tory government.
#15053832
Lol, congratulations guys. Your dirty well funded "he's an anti-Semite" campaign had a minor victory.

But it doesn't work all the time, don't get too cocky. I mean it's obvious Trump's weird Executive Order is going to backfire.

I'd have voted Nigel Farage and the brexit party, then Boris, but I would put Labour third.
#15053845
Ter wrote:Jo Swinson lost her seat lol
The woman who wanted to rescind article 50 .
I applaud the British electorate.

Jo Swinson lost her seat to a far more fanatically pro EU party than the Liberal Democrats. East Bartonshire will leave the EU in a few weeks, but there's a good chance that under SNP leadership they can rejoin in a few years.

It should be noted that East Bartonshire was a fantastic result for all those that hate Israel and love Hamas and Hezbollah. I believe Amy Callighan is as strong a supporter of Islamic terrorists as Jeremy Corbyn. One of the SNPs great grudges is that under London's tyranny they don't get enough Muslim immigrants. If Scotland were to vote Leave, rejoin the EU and join Schengen it would make it much more difficult for England to control its borders than it was when we were a United Kingdom in a united Europe.
#15053849
Rich wrote:One of the SNPs great grudges is that under London's tyranny they don't get enough Muslim immigrants.

:violin:

:roll:

Rich wrote: If Scotland were to vote Leave, rejoin the EU and join Schengen it would make it much more difficult for England to control its borders than it was when we were a United Kingdom in a united Europe.


At this moment in time, Scotland is part of the UK.
They will leave the EU together with the other parts of the UK.
They need to organise a referendum and provided there is a vote for independence, negotiate their way out of the UK.
Afterwards they have to negotiate their way into the EU.
None of these steps are easy or fast.
What about fishing rights? Free movement of people ? Border between England and Scotland ?
#15053855
Look obvioulsy anti democrats the world over are going to want to celebrate this result. The biggest winners in terms of vote share across the UK were the Liberal Democrats. They increased their vote by 4.2%. The SNP increase its vote by 0.8%. Obviously it will delight fascists that the already disproportionately over represented Scottish Nationalist Party should take a seat from the Liberal Democrats. Within Scotland the Lib Dems only increased their vote by 2.8% while the SNP increased by 8.1. In the same way these people celebrated that Donald Trump won the Presidency despite Hilary winning the popular vote.

I'm an unashamed democrat, I believe Israel's electoral system is superior. Although I do believe Israel's democracy would be improved by expelling its disloyal citizens, who would be much happier living under a dictatorship like Egypt or Syria. Under proportional representation there would have been no need for Pinochet's coup.

Cultural Marxists should only see this result as a temporary set back. Its the way the two party system works. You have to accept that sometimes the other party will win big, in order for you to get your chance to win big. Of course each party in a 2 party system must hypocritically whine on about what a disaster it would be if the other party got a monopoly of power. Under Tony Blair's rule Britain was changed irrevocably. Boris won't change it back.
#15053858
look at the salty socialists on reddit in r/socialism those nutjobs are now saying that democracy is bad and there need to be a revolution what they dont understand is that the people are against their ideas and would not support their wishful revolution. it seem that progressives will soon show their true face and will publicly expose themselves as authoritarian
#15053859
It is interesting to see how the people here and in a certain British blog lament on the result not going their way.

IMHO this looks very similar to what the pro-Beijing people do when they lost the Hong Kong District Council elections on 24th November.

While I do not think Labour supporters here are the same as pro-Beijing people (I bet some even see pro-Beijing people as mortal enemies much more than I do), I found Leftists seem the same around the world.
#15053869
Zionist Nationalist wrote:@skinster
looks like your 'bae' Corbyn didnt make it afterall :lol: :D :p


Don't be a sore winner.

The Labour Party will be back next election anyway.
#15053873
Rugoz wrote:Seems like a good outcome

The English surpass the Americans in stupidity. Turkeys voting for Christmas ... Why am I not surprised.


:lol:
#15053878
ingliz wrote:The English surpass the Americans in stupidity. Turkeys voting for Christmas ... Why am I not surprised.


:lol:


After witnessing the Brexit charade for several years, I think only a comfortable majority by a single party can get Brexit done (or undone). You may have a preference for reverting Brexit, but that was always rather unrealistic.
#15053969
Ter wrote:We could have said the same thing if Brexit would have been rescinded. About half the population wanted Brexit, the other half didn't. Problems and discontent either way.
I am just immensely relieved that "the friend of Hamas and Hezbollah", the guy who mourns slain terrorists and put wreaths on their graves, is going to disappear from the political scene in disgrace. Bae Corbyn ! Oh Corbyn !

I am also happy that the EU gets to swallow this huge setback. Less money for the Brussels Eurocrats, losing one of the biggest member countries definitely damaged their prestige. Lessons learnt I hope. No to federal Europe, more power to the nation states. EU should be for trade, not politics.


I know the sins of Corbyn so to speak. No need to tell me. I have never been a great fan of his.

Just the reality is that the opinions shifted now. 55 for remain while 45 to leave and its only gonna get worse. In a year it will drop down to 60-40. UK will start experiencing problems with unrest in the coming months. If you haven't noticed, Corbyn radical supporters are radical. Remainers have been radicalised also by now. Pro-Brexit people have always been radicalised. Sprinkle some Scottish Nationalism on top and now nobody knows what the fuck will happen.

The Scottish were promised to stay in the EU. The SNP had no ammunition while the Brexit was going back and forward. But now they are basically feel wronged and SNP is very strong. Also they can't really trust any promises from Westminster anymore. Below is not a joke anymore :

#15053978
Rugoz wrote:Opinion polls are like assholes..


Yes but they are still predictable. And i don't mean that you do another poll to predict it. You can take the present and view events that might possibly happen and then come to some conclusion. If you pay attention to politics and vote yourself then you should have a clue how the political game works. There is a limit till when you can predict BUT it doesn't mean that you can't make educated conclusions/predictions at all.

The "Pros" for Brexit are something like a Brexit with no economic damage, Tories investing a lot of money in to NHS, Labour getting Corbyn v2.0, Boris negotiating a deal with the EU within 3 months (Trade deal included). Those are not very realistic or likely.
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