[droodle]

Noone really bothers about those old religions anymore. Nestorian Church is probably some semitic - not aryan - religion. Religion =/= descent. Tocharians lived in the southwest, and mongols were buddhists rather than followers of some IE tradition. Unless Siddharta was aryan, of course.

[chimera]

Nestorius became patriarch of east Roman empire, and the church was later based in Persia.
Wikipedia-"There had been some infusion of Buddhism, which had spread from Xinjiang, but it did not yet have a strong influence. Nestorian Christianity also had penetrated Inner Asia. Some Mongolian tribes converted to Nestorian Christianity... Genghiz Khan was married to a Christian Mongolian woman. When the Mongolians reached Syria, they were seen as Christian allies, which they were not. The Crusaders and Mongolians were allies against the Muslims in the 13th century Middle East."(end quote)
The Sinkiang Tocharians were IE to the east of Genghiz' wars.
The Buddha was born within Iranian-Punjab Brahmin influence, which developed in the Nepal-Afghanistan region from 1500 BCE. It was the Russian steppe grassland which produced nomad-horsemen , who were integrated into Euro cultures and thus the global empires.

[proudtobeamerican]

I would love for there to be some strong competition for the United States from the other side of the Atlantic, but I don't think European peoples will ever get over their internal issues. The EU will never be more than an EEC.

The only competition the EU and US really have is the currency exchange

[droodle]

Christianity is semitic, not aryan. Gengiz wars were in China and Central Asia. Could you be a bit more specific. And how does proximity guarantuee influence. Japan is also east of Gengis'wars. Hinduism was gaining influence versus the vedas. People did not remain horsemen for a long time - if this lifestyle made some cultures, how come similar lifestyles did not produce similar religions, and how come the differing lifestyles people adopted afterwards - and for a longr time - did not influence their culture?

Anyway, this is way too new age to bother me.

[chimera]

Noemon,
Yup. Wass dat you saying dere?

[chimera]

droodle,
The Church is IE, in Nestor and Genghiz experience.The quote says G Khan went west. Tocharians were his neighbours, Japan was not. Church monasteries are based on Buddhist monk temples, along with much ritual. The expansionist tribal life was seen in the European turmoil and wars up to the Bosnian war. The invasion of Iraq is mainly a US-British (Canadian-Aust.) projection of power. They formed the UN, it was not initiated by people south of IE land.

[droodle]

Especially the eastern church is not that influenced by platonuism. Palto did not believe in divinity of the soul. Plato can hardly be categorized as a nomadic horseman; he was influenced by ciy life - indeed, it would be totally absurd to evemn try to understand plato without the concept of the polis.

The quote is wrong, he conquered china as well.
Monasteries have nothing to do with nomadic horsemen as well.

European countries are not more warlike than other countries, and certainly not nomadic. The last big nomadic shift was caused by the huns.