PBV can post all he wants. In his heart he know Jesus never taught anyone to take (steal) from others.
I seriously doubt St Peter will look kindly on him embracing a system that TAKES from all when taking is the M.O. of Satan.
Actually I know "in my heart" as you put it, that Jesus teachings command us to work for a state which insures no one is hungry, no one is sick and without care and no one is homeless and without shelter. So you are absolutely wrong. In fact your position is laughable. You actually said that you thought that 'satan' would be happy with taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
More proof you are just trolling. To allow any other explination would be a violation of the rule that we ought not insult our fellow posters.
Of course it is fun to demolish your ideas so I will gleefully take the opportunity to show how you are wrong when you tell us that taxation violates the 10 commandment admonition against stealing. This is, of course a religious argument so we should rely on Judeo Christian sources to see if you are right. And guess what! You are wrong.
Suppose you really had studied the old testiment in which the 10 commandments are found. Did you know that you would have found that the people of Israel paid a 10% temple tax or tithe? But wait. There is more!
Read this:
Leviticus 19:
9. And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
10. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.
Now check this out. The 10 commandments are Deuteronomy 20: 1-17. Guess what a mere four verses later God said:
Deuteronomy 24:
19. When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
20. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
21. When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
22. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this thing.
Now he didn't say "if you want to" as you so ignorantly believe. He said "
I command you to do this thing." So there is God's word my poor uninformed friend. Not a thing ambiguous about this at all. It is not I who should be afraid of the meeting.
Oh but you just know there is more. Right? In ancient Israel the people were paying some serious taxes to the kings. And they, like you, bitched about it. But they did it anyway. They paid census taxes, land taxes, tribute and more. Here from Orr:
Indirect Taxes: These indirect taxes were of various types, such as custom duties or sales taxes. An excise tax on articles consumed was called “belo” in Hebrew, and a road toll or customs tax was termed “halakh.” In Ezra 4:20, these indirect taxes are termed “tribute” and “duty” respectively in the modern English version. Other words used in various places in the Old Testament were “mas” (forced labor) [I Kings 5:13; v. 27, Hebrew text], “massa” (burden) [II Chronicles 17:11], “mekhes” (measure) [Numbers 31:25-31], and “middah” (tribute) [Ezra 4:20].
They were called to service in time of war (drafted) and imposed upon for special taxes to support special projects of the King and the Temple. And ON TOP OF THIS they were expected to make freewill offerings to the poor. Get it? Their freewill offerings were in additon to the various forms of taxes. So what were they compelled to pay? Most experts agree that the total tax was between 25% and 40%. BEFORE the compulsary temple tax or tithe. About what we pay today.
This is the world into which Jesus was born and in which he paid HIS taxes and insisted his disciples paid theirs. He even performed a miracle to raise money for taxes.
So you are completely wrong. You will not try to refute any of these things for two reasons. One is that you lack the ability and the other is, as a troll, you are not debating. You are merely trying to annoy people.
A final piece of ignorance that you posted I must point out. You said,
"The Church has long since dropped incarceration for failure to tithe. The state will not."
This is, of course, a silly statement as we stripped the churches of any secular power generations ago. The Church did not "drop" it. The liberals who wrote the constitution took the power away from them. And they indeed had the power to tax in the colonies. But you know what is really fun? You know how much you love your mentor Glen Beck? Well don't tell anyone but in Glen Beck's church you can't go to temple unless you give the church 10% of your before tax income. I wonder why old Glenn doesn't talk about that. Do you think he thinks his church is stealing?
Now Dandaman. Now that I have proved using your own sources that the Bible and God himself tell us that taxes for the poor are NOT stealing.....please post the Bible verse that says they are. You can forget about the 10 commandments. I just proved that source won't work.
Please give us an ordered argument for your assertion citing chapter and verse.
You don't want us all to think you are deluded in your religious beliefs or just ignorant to what the sources really say. Do you?
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