- 11 Jul 2011 07:43
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Ah yes, the "you are blinded by actual data" argument. Surely a winning position.
Why don't you tell me, on a case by case, graph by graph basis, what they each individually mean, since you accuse me of "not knowing"?
No, certainly Germany, France, Spain, the UK, and many, many other states don't face massive influx of immigrants from Turkey, North Africa, Pakistan, and numerous other places.
Wait a tic, they do.
Wrong again.
So you say. I didn't realize being the OP meant that you got to determine what "counts" in reality and what doesn't, even though you failed to provide any evidence that the military is not a government institution, and actually admitted that it "technically" was, moving. the. goalposts. of. the. discussion. yet. again.
How about historical examples? Was the TVA a failure? How about the interstate highway system? Before you post another "gotcha," sure, there are issues with public infrastructure today.. but how about that funding???
Local police institutions, the fire department.. certainly huge failures by your metric.
Why don't you go to the police station and tell them what lazy union fatcat failures they are? I'm sure they'd agree with you.
What about the Department of Homeland Security? Do you think they're another failed government program? How about the CIA, FBI, or NSA?
Eisenhower was certainly a socialist wasn't he, with his high tax rates and huge government spending programs, what a failure!
So you believe that you personally should have the right to kill another human being if you determine him to be infringing on your private property? Without government oversight?
How about the ability to rape children? Sounds like your "perfect system" has no problem with that.
Would I be able to purposefully sell people lethal products (i.e. faulty pharmaceuticals), since the government has no regulatory capability over goods?
How about hiring my own private army? It's my own private ownership of mercenaries, why is there any problem with me having personal control over tanks and assault helicopters?
How about slavery? Could I own my own slaves? They'd be my own private property!
you are somebody who is blinded by statistics. But you actually lack an intimate understanding of why some things are the way they are. You furnish numbers without knowing what they mean.
Ah yes, the "you are blinded by actual data" argument. Surely a winning position.
Why don't you tell me, on a case by case, graph by graph basis, what they each individually mean, since you accuse me of "not knowing"?
Take the US society for instance. It's invaded by millions of low class people from south of the border. There is a federal law that states that people must be treated without regard to their ability to pay. That means that our medical system is burdened by deadbeats. We do not see this dilemma in other countries that you showed on your graphs.
No, certainly Germany, France, Spain, the UK, and many, many other states don't face massive influx of immigrants from Turkey, North Africa, Pakistan, and numerous other places.
Wait a tic, they do.
Wrong again.
So the military doesn't count.
So you say. I didn't realize being the OP meant that you got to determine what "counts" in reality and what doesn't, even though you failed to provide any evidence that the military is not a government institution, and actually admitted that it "technically" was, moving. the. goalposts. of. the. discussion. yet. again.
How about historical examples? Was the TVA a failure? How about the interstate highway system? Before you post another "gotcha," sure, there are issues with public infrastructure today.. but how about that funding???
Local police institutions, the fire department.. certainly huge failures by your metric.
Why don't you go to the police station and tell them what lazy union fatcat failures they are? I'm sure they'd agree with you.
What about the Department of Homeland Security? Do you think they're another failed government program? How about the CIA, FBI, or NSA?
Eisenhower was certainly a socialist wasn't he, with his high tax rates and huge government spending programs, what a failure!
If the role of our government can be limited to tax collection, and most importantly, the enforcement of private ownership, then sure free market system would work. Instead, we have a controlled market, in which Obama's iron fist directly regulates everything.
The bottom line is, for free market ideas to excel, the forces of demand and supply must not be hindered.
So you believe that you personally should have the right to kill another human being if you determine him to be infringing on your private property? Without government oversight?
How about the ability to rape children? Sounds like your "perfect system" has no problem with that.
Would I be able to purposefully sell people lethal products (i.e. faulty pharmaceuticals), since the government has no regulatory capability over goods?
How about hiring my own private army? It's my own private ownership of mercenaries, why is there any problem with me having personal control over tanks and assault helicopters?
How about slavery? Could I own my own slaves? They'd be my own private property!
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