[Joe Liberty]

American libertarians just love to peddle the idea that they've transcended partisan politics. It's a big lie.

I'll stake my immortal soul that 9 outa 10 of these jokers are walking into a voting booth and voting for Rick Perry or Pat Toomey, or their equivalents. Even Rand Paul has gotten a top rating from the ACU.

If you walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, it's an odds on favorite you're a duck.

Joe Liberty, you are a duck - a conservative Republican.

I get that a lot from people who just can't see beyond the team sport. Democrats think I'm a Republican, Republicans think I'm a Democrat. So you've actually validated my statement, thanks.

[quetzalcoatl]

I get that a lot from people who just can't see beyond the team sport. Democrats think I'm a Republican, Republicans think I'm a Democrat. So you've actually validated my statement, thanks.

Facile.

But there are objective policy differences between parties. It's actually a lot more than team sport - the politics of the right poses an existential threat to millions of Americans. That's why they are forced to vote for Democrats. Not because they like them (there's not much to like), but because Republicans are so savagely destructive.

The policies you advocate in your posts are closely congruent (if not identical) with policies of most conservative Republicans. It's not that I think you are a conservative Republican, you have objectively defined yourself in terms of your stated positions. So what if you're a Rouen or Saxony Duck, and fancy yourself above the rah-rah Mallards? You're still a duck.

[LehmanB]

As far as I have read the data, Obama have increased tramendously the debt from (7~) to 22 trillion USD. Furthermore, now the social expenses takes up to 40% of the total budget; I am interested to know what it was before, but I think its a growth.

As to Obamacare itself- I think its not as a big issue as liberals think. The bigger dammage is the total welfare which he increased to be liked by the Hispans and blacks in his state, enourmous deficit and loans, and he has made tramendous dammage to US foreign policy what allowed your foes to take your place, mainly China and even Russia. That also dammages US economy (strength of Dollar for instance).

Obama is desastrous to liberals. The Obamacare is not the main point of his policy though.

[quetzalcoatl]

As far as I have read the data, Obama have increased tramendously the debt from (7~) to 22 trillion USD. Furthermore, now the social expenses takes up to 40% of the total budget; I am interested to know what it was before, but I think its a growth.

Actual proportions of the federal budget (according to the type of spending) don't change a lot over time, nor from Republican to Democratic administrations.

This is from 2013:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... dget-2010/

Defense: 19%
Social Security: 24%
Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP: 22%
Safety Net Programs (including Earned Income Tax Credit): 12%
Interest on Federal Debt: 6%
Veterans & other Federal Retirees: 8%
All Other (science, education, transportation, foreign aid): 9%

The popular image of "liberals" wildly spending on social programs, and "conservatives" reigning it back in are hype. Social spending, (aside from SSI/Medicare/Medicare) remains fairly constant, although it has declined a couple of percentage points under Obama. He's hardly the raging socialist he's painted by some.

[LehmanB]

I was refering to the conservatives as liberals, and socialists are the democrats.

Anyway, what about the massive increase of debt? So you say it has nothing with the federal budget. But I do think it has to do with his policy nonetheless.

I am interested though- in 2009-10, there was lots of rescuing of banks and financial companies. Was it combined with nationalization of these? (for instance, 51% of the share).

[spodi]

Alot of stuff is out of his control. What he is in control of he acts in a Nixon way of close circle white house people shutting out top level executive agencies. I still support Obama. I think his problem though is he's too smart. An absent minded professor better with theory vs reality. He belongs in an ivy teaching other geniuses with no common sense. I still support him and have sympathy for a guy we both know wants out and has a long two more years.

[Reason10]

Liberals? Your narrow view is silly. He's improving the country for everyone, not just liberals. Maybe you need to take a look at the reality instead of reacting to the propaganda.

Why can't the haters see Obamacare is good for business?
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/01/news/ec ... r.fortune/

Good News for Obamacare Is Bad News for Conservative Pundits
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics ... s-20140418

U.S. Creates 288,000 Jobs In April, Unemployment Rate Falls To 6.3%
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/0 ... 49077.html

Nothing but lies, from LIARS.

Barak Hussein is the worst president in the history of America.

[Contrapunctus]

1. Obama's healthcare plan is confusing and I haven't bothered to follow it since 2009. Since I haven't done my homework, so I will refrain from having an opinion on it.
2. Using his executive order to provide protection for immigrants was a point of pride for me. He circumnavigated a congress that was half ineffectual, and half racist. I'm not a fan of going around the legislative process, but in this case the ends justify the means.
3. Obama's use of drone strikes to kill US citizens abroad is deplorable to me, and is an affront to the due process that all American Citizens deserve.
4. No action against the NSA and the CIA for all the naughty business they've been doing in secret.

All and all, Obama is a president on par with Bush as far as I'm concerned.

[Godstud]

Nothing but lies, from LIARS.

Anything anyone but you says is a lie. I get it, Reason10. WTF are you even on this forum here if you have an idiotic attitude like that?

[Reason10]

Anything anyone but you says is a lie. I get it, Reason10. WTF are you even on this forum here if you have an idiotic attitude like that?

I'm just right and you liberals are wrong. I can say that at pretty much ANY forum in the world and intelligent people will agree.

And only a total fucking IDIOT thinks that Barak Hussein Ebola has done ANYTHING good or positive for this country. I'll even widen that to suggest that only a fucking TRAITOR would have voted for that son of a bitch.

[Dagoth Ur]

You're so caught up in the American Political Spectacle that you cannot even see the end of your nose. You are railing against one half of Two-Face while blindly following the other half. A consciousness can't get much more false than that.

Hopefully you'll understand that all schools of liberalism are equally vacuous and facile. It'll be a big step towards getting over those blatantly obvious anger issue, inshallah.

[quetzalcoatl]

I'm just right and you liberals are wrong. I can say that at pretty much ANY forum in the world and intelligent people will agree.

And only a total fucking IDIOT thinks that Barak Hussein Ebola has done ANYTHING good or positive for this country. I'll even widen that to suggest that only a fucking TRAITOR would have voted for that son of a bitch.

Why so angry?

Relax.

Sure, Obama is no great shakes...he is pretty much Mitt with a smoother delivery, and a nod to the social liberals. But do you really perceive a wide substantive difference between Obummer and Mittens? Or between O and Bush II for that matter? As far as being the worst president, that honor belongs to Andrew Jackasson.

[spodi]

He really ought to pardon Snowden to help repair his relationship with the demographic who got him in office, millennials. Who's with me?!

[Tachyon]

The president (ANY president) has basically nothing to do with any of those numbers. If you feel like you must assign credit/blame for those metrics, it should go to congress. The president is part of law enforcement, not law creation. To assign credit to the president for the overall health of the economy is simpleminded non-sense.

[QatzelOk]

The stock market has rebounded under Obama. Conservatives should like that.

We caught Bin Laden. Conservatives should like that.

Obama continued the brutal repression and recolonization of the Middle East AND he helped the banksters steal a year worth of every American's taxes.

What kind of Conservative would like these things? I think you've been fooled into thinking whatever the rich want to do must be "conservative." But that's not what it means.

Obama, like almost every American president, is a liberal: he believes in constant, revolutionary changes to help the business community. These revolutionary changes involve killing foreigners, stealing their resources, contaminating the planet, and taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich.

No conservative would support these things.

[Godstud]

To assign credit to the president for the overall health of the economy is simpleminded non-sense.

You're kidding right? These are exactly what the they throw in the face of the president at any opportunity. Does that make Republicans simpleminded?

Republicans blame Obama for job numbers
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... b-numbers/

Republicans blame President Obama for nation's economic woes
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ ... story.html

[taufeeq]

now that the republicans have a majority of both houses of the congress,we wait to see how much will change,that is if the Republicans such as ted Cruz don't call for a government shut down.
As America gets dissolved in partisan politics,and Europe dives into a financial crisis just as the Chinese economy slows down and japan heads into deep recession.................i ask whether globalization was ever meant to help us?

[Tachyon]

:lol: You're kidding right? These are exactly what the they throw in the face of the president at any opportunity. Does that make Republicans simpleminded?

Republicans blame Obama for job numbers
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... b-numbers/

Republicans blame President Obama for nation's economic woes
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ ... story.html

Yes, it makes republicans simpleminded also. Notice that I said ANY president, (R) or (D). Simple minded non-sense is not limited to just one party or the other, they all express it equally.