[Far-Right Sage]

Nope, of course we don't agree on that assertion at all.

Good day, Pants.

[spodi]

A child?

Note: I support equal rights extremely but find lots of stupidity on both fox and nbc so I like to joke about em both. Don't take it personal. All for FDR, the Kennedy's, Clintons and Obamas.

[DrSteveBrule]

Liberalism was started by totalitarian filth like John Locke who completely opposed the toleration of Atheists. Locke, an investor in the slave trade, needed monotheism to keep the slaves and serfs of the empire and the workers of Britain under control. liberalism has always been hypocritical and inconsistent. Libertarians were enthusiastic supporters of slavery but now claim that no Libertarian could ever support slavery. They supported genocide of native peoples, but now endlessly lecture us on non aggression. They supported fascism, but now claim that fascism is an evil socialist ideology that they have always opposed. Non Jewish German Libertarians virtually all supported Hitler and the Nazis until they started losing. They supported all sorts of dictators, Pinochet actually being one of the better ones. They're best representatives in government Reagan and Thatcher even supported Saddam and the Khmer Rouge.

What?

So a totalitarian would explicitly advocate that people have the right to revolution?

Locke might have inspired classical liberalism, but he was not a libertarian. The same applies to Rand as well. Do you think that every socialist adheres strictly to Marx?

Reagan was not a modern libertarian. He did nothing to support gay rights, and left America with a military industrial complex that costs billions. He wanted prayer in school, and intensified the war on drugs. Having free market tendencies does not automatically qualify someone to be a libertarian.

[Reason10]

The term "liberal" underwent a radical change in meaning in the Sixties. For the longest time, a LIBERAL was a Laisse Faire Capitalist, a free market type. Famous liberals included brilliant economists and philosophers like Ayn Rand, Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, etc.

It was after the Port Huron Statement in the early Sixties that "liberal" was completely transformed into the anti-Capitalist, anti-Freedom, anti-American philosophy it is today.

[Rich]

Google "most Libertarian Presidents". First hit whose number one? Martin Van Buren, not only an enthusiastic of slavery but and a viscous opponent of free speech, who voted to ensure that Southern States could ban abolitionist literature.

Ludwig Von Mises,

Would that be the Ludwig Von Mises who was on the payroll of the Austrian fascist government? The Ludwig Von Mises, who would have crawled up Hitler's back side after the Anshluss if he hadn't been a Jew and therefore been rejected by Hitler.

[OllytheBrit]

'What is a liberal?' Anyone with a childlike idealism.

[Reason10]

The people in real life that do this tend to be Republicans who think that liberalism relates to a philosophy advocating social justice and equality through wealth redistribution, implying that the person has a socialist leaning.


I find the concept of "social justice and equality through wealth redistribution" to be monstrous. It is the morality of the cannibal, of a society that believes in human sacrifice. Your alternative beliefs on liberalism is actually kind of refreshing. Inaccurate, as far as the American model goes, but refreshing.

But on these forums, Rei and other authoritarian leaning posters define "liberal" as supporting any form of democracy or personal rights. However, liberalism is supposedly an old term for someone who has libertarian tendencies, as it was first defined as a limited government/pro liberty movement. So what is the official definition of it?

The United States of America is not a Democracy, nor has it ever been one. It is a Representative Republic. Liberals here don't care too much for the concept of Democracy anyway. If they don't get their way in elections, they turn to the liberal courts.

[Reason10]

Would that be the Ludwig Von Mises who was on the payroll of the Austrian fascist government? The Ludwig Von Mises, who would have crawled up Hitler's back side after the Anshluss if he hadn't been a Jew and therefore been rejected by Hitler.

Excuse me? Have ever even READ any of his writings? Or is the ad hominem pretty much your standard operating procedure?

[Reason10]

A child?

Note: I support equal rights extremely but find lots of stupidity on both fox and nbc so I like to joke about em both. Don't take it personal. All for FDR, the Kennedy's, Clintons and Obamas.

It doesn't sound like you support equal rights. It sounds like you support equality of outcome. Considering you listed the WORST presidents in American history, all welfare staters who have done nothing but damage to this country, your attitude is predictable.

[spodi]

Yes I'm a subpar human being.

[TruePolitics]

I agree with OP.

I've noticed lots of idiots calling me a "liberal" every time they disagree with me. It could be just one slight disagreement, but they immediately resort to accusations of "liberal" or "communist".

People like that annoy the hell out of me.

[Reason10]

'What is a liberal?' Anyone with a childlike idealism.

DITTOS ON THAT.

(In order not to violate the one-line posts rules, I agree precisely with what you said.)

[Reason10]

Yes I'm a subpar human being.

That is a good thing if you're playing golf.

[spodi]

So are 10 reasons.

[Reason10]

Reagan was not a modern libertarian. He did nothing to support gay rights, and left America with a military industrial complex that costs billions. He wanted prayer in school, and intensified the war on drugs. Having free market tendencies does not automatically qualify someone to be a libertarian.

Thank you for clearing up the fact that the GREATEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA-RONALD WILSON REAGAN was not a libertarian. He was a mainstream conservative who did more good for this country than all Democrat presidents combined.

He's NOT responsible for a military industrial complex. He merely rebuilt a military that the incompetent Carter had allowed to slide into almost oblivion. In the process, Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot. And down came the Berlin Wall. Considering the historical importance of that, the defense budget was pretty cheap. And it WAS cheaper than the Entitlement budget, which ate up 60 percent of the Federal Budget.

The last time the budget was balanced was in 1969 at the height of the Vietnam war. Defense was the largest item. During Reagan's period (thanks to the Democrat Party's "Budget And Impoundment Act of 1974"), ENTITLEMENTS were the largest part of the budget. And Reagan didn't have the authority to touch them.

Reagan wanted schools to reflect the First Amendment. He wanted prayer ALLOWED, not mandatory.

America WANTED a war on drugs. Reagan and the CONGRESS provided what America wanted.

America has never had as good a president as Reagan, and we probably never will again.

[DrSteveBrule]

He's NOT responsible for a military industrial complex. He merely rebuilt a military that the incompetent Carter had allowed to slide into almost oblivion. In the process, Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot. And down came the Berlin Wall. Considering the historical importance of that, the defense budget was pretty cheap. And it WAS cheaper than the Entitlement budget, which ate up 60 percent of the Federal Budget.

The last time the budget was balanced was in 1969 at the height of the Vietnam war. Defense was the largest item. During Reagan's period (thanks to the Democrat Party's "Budget And Impoundment Act of 1974"), ENTITLEMENTS were the largest part of the budget. And Reagan didn't have the authority to touch them.

Reagan wanted schools to reflect the First Amendment. He wanted prayer ALLOWED, not mandatory.

America WANTED a war on drugs. Reagan and the CONGRESS provided what America wanted.

First of all, the War on Drugs was fueled by media hysteria that later proved to be untrue. The prison industrial complex wanted it, but the people didn't. They just played along with whatever the media told them.

Communism was an unsustainable system and would have fell, with or without Reagan's spending. The motivation behind the fall came from ethnic separatists and dissatisfaction with political repression.

I never said that entitlement spending was something that needed to be addressed. It does, but the act that you listed has nothing to do with entitlement benefits. It merely regulates the role of Congress in dictating spending. Also, Nixon signed it into law. The last time that I checked, he was a conservative.

[Godstud]

Be quiet all you whiney liberals!!