[The Immortal Goon]

Ingliz, those are Lenin's arguments for the seizure of power by the socialists in 1917, which differs from an argument that they created socialism.

Quetzalcoatl, than you very much.

I've had the socialism in one country argument several times before. A more drawn out textual analysis, one of many, can be found here.

I see no particular reason to derail this thread any further into the same narrow ally as it certainly ceases to be about liberalism, in the case for defending Marx, Engels, and Lenin in their conception of socialism.