After The Death Of Western Civilization: The New Global Immigration Paradigm - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

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Let's assume western civilization collapses where all traces of its ethnicity, language, culture, and identity becomes a thing of the past where all that is left is its ruins, art, or records of itself in writing. Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Swedes, Norwegians, Dutch, and English all become a list of long extincted people that no longer exist. The same is for the European people of the Americas or Australian south pacific.

The international financial corporatist model that did this through the exploitation of global immigration for cheap labor will have to set up shop in a new place of the world as the financial global ponzi or monopoly must never end(Because all encompassing greed is good) but, where else in the world to emigrate? Where else in the world to set up shop after western civilization simply evaporates?

Japan, China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Taiwan? All of the above?


That would be an interesting future to contemplate. Let's imagine a nation like China where this parasitic international financial coporatist model successfully relocates to. Now let's imagine a future where the Chinese government is very concerned about rising living standards and wages for its workers that keep on demanding more every year in terms of collective redistribution or social welfare. A Chinese corporate CEO with a group of politicians quietly envisions that the way of reducing wages for the Chinese labor workforce is to import Nigerian and Indian workers from abroad. ( Or anywhere else in the world) Mexican immigrant workers in China?

They think to themselves that it is the best economic aggregate of reducing Chinese wages domestically increasing their corporate profits simultaneously.

The Chinese workforce of course laments against and rebels angrily at this move on the part of the Chinese government in collusion with the international corporate conglomerates aiding them and so the tone is set that any native Chinese citizen against it is a racist just like individuals from the long dead western civilization which preceded it that died only decades earlier. "If you're against the peaceful assemblage of global immigration you're a racist or nativist it reads in Mandarin."

The new Chinese neoliberal global immigration model of the future? Sort of amusing to contemplate.

What happens in one portion of the world people in all nations tend to forget affects everybody eventually or someday into the future.


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#14793583
Interestingly enough the Koreans have already begun doing this. They have already begun importing foreign labour and certain intellectuals are already trying to imagine Korean multiculturalism and Korean history as a multicultural history. There is some consideration taking place in Japan as well. We can help these countries by warning them not to repeat the mistake we made. Luckily for them they do not have any guilt as we do. It is unlikely they can be so easily manipulated.
#14793596
Joka wrote:Let's assume western civilization collapses where all traces of its ethnicity, language, culture, and identity becomes a thing of the past where all that is left is its ruins, art, or records of itself in writing. Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Swedes, Norwegians, Dutch, and English all become a list of long extincted people that no longer exist. The same is for the European people of the Americas or Australian south pacific.


No, let's not. There is no evidence to support this fanciful idea. We might as well assume that people magically start growing corn out of their bums.
#14793614
Luckily for them they do not have any guilt as we do.


Of course they have various atrocities in the past. Japan did lots of rather horrible things during wwII alone. They also have a very long bloody history which includes at one point crucifying Christians and all sorts of other stuff. A quick google also suggests various massacres perpetrated by south Korea.

Really the point here is that there is no country that lacks for material that can be used to guilt people one way or another. Not that it even matters since both countries basically belong to the US.
#14793618
mikema63 wrote:Of course they have various atrocities in the past. Japan did lots of rather horrible things during wwII alone. They also have a very long bloody history which includes at one point crucifying Christians and all sorts of other stuff. A quick google also suggests various massacres perpetrated by south Korea.

Really the point here is that there is no country that lacks for material that can be used to guilt people one way or another. Not that it even matters since both countries basically belong to the US.


It is different because they never had large colonial empires. Japan's empire was relatively small and was confined to Asia. Japan never had racism on scale which existed in the British Empire or anything like Trans-Atlantic slavery. Their empire also appeared well into modernity. As a result they do not have the same type of guilt as Europeans. When it is only WWII that can be used as a source of guilt, that is not really sufficient. And this is especially not the case when many of them might think their country was not the aggressor but in actual fact a liberator of Asian peoples.

And in the case of Korea, what possible means could there be to make them feel guilty?
#14793620
Like I said a cursory google shows a number of massacres. You seem to lack some imagination when it comes to guilt tripping, either that or you have some very odd thoughts about the psychology of Asians. You can make someone feel guilty for eating the last bagel, you can make them feel guilty about the nanking massacre.
#14793648
Oh no, not jealousy - I'm bowing to your superiority in all things, even genocide. You clearly are better in it than the Nazis were. :) That's something to be proud of.

As I've always said, when it comes to genocide the British were Premier Division players, whereas the Nazis were merely enthusiastic amateurs. They made certain elementary errors, such as choosing the wrong victims, bungling their PR campaign, and managing to lose a major European conflict. Never mind though; you showed a certain raw promise for such relative newcomers. :)
#14793652
We do not need to imagine how it would be with a Chinese global hegemony, we already have such a precedent with the U.K's history in Africa, India, Australia, or America.

The subjugation of the indigenous, Africans was imposed through force & slavery with colonial global capitalism.

The same was true in America with Negroes & the indigenous(Indian tribes)who were plied with alcohol.

The same fate befell the indigenous Australians(Aborigines),who were also subdued by the use of prodigious amounts of alcohol.
One doesn't need to go around killing the indigenous people physically with lead bullets, when the same outcome(stealing people's rights to their own land)can be achieved using alternative methods such as intoxication.

By the time of realization of what has happened becomes apparent, it becomes too late to do anything about it, because marginalisation has already occurred through the domination by the usurpers.

The irony of course, is that what happened before to others, can happen in the future to those who were the usurpers of the past.
#14793710
Having been in Taiwan, I can say that over there, they are very Westernized. If you walk along the streets, you can hear American Pop music. So many Westerners go to Taiwan to study. Taiwanese kids learn English in elementary school, even if they do not speak that well, they at least have a fairly good understanding of Western ways.

While most of the shows on TV were in Chinese or Taiwanese, they do have American channels. My uncle naps to any movie on HBO Asia after he comes home from work. He also subscribed to Cinnemax and Starz.

The Western effect is far-reaching and it is pretty darn hard to be in a country that is untouched by Western influences. So Western civilization will never die, in my opinion.

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