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Venezuela's Chavez and Supporters Get Ready for Recall Referendum with Mass Rally

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Venezuelans rallied in Caracas on Sunday, June 6 in support of the President who will face a recall referendum on his mandate.
Credit: MinCI

Caracas, Venezuela. Jun 7 (Venezuelanalysis.com).- Supporters of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took the streets of Caracas on Sunday, as the country begins to prepare for a recall referendum on the mandate of the controversial South American leader.

The Chavistas marched from tree sections of the country's capital to converge at the downtown Bolivar Avenue where the President gave a speech vowing to defeat the opposition in the upcoming recall referendum.

Last week, Venezuela's National Electoral Council determined that opponents of the President collected a little over the required number of signatures to demand a referendum on the leader's mandate.

Last Thursday, Chavez addressed the nation, accepting the preliminary results from the National Electoral Council, calling for the recall referendum. International observers from the Organization of American States and the Carter Center congratulated all Venezuelans for their exercise of democratic rights.

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"In two months we will face them [the opposition] to fight the battle for the future of Venezuela," Chavez said during his speech at the rally.
Credit: Venpres

Chavez congratulated the opposition for finding democratic and constitutional ways to try to oust him. His opponents, who accuse him of being a 'Castro-communist' dictator, have unsuccessfully attempted to remove him from power through a coup d'etat in 2002, a lock-out/strike and oil industry sabotage at the end 2002 and at the beginning of 2003, and through several strikes.

'The will of the majority has prevailed. There will be no dictatorships, no civil war, no foreign intervention, no street chaos. The path of participatory democracy is open,' said the President, who labels the referendum as a victory of the democratic revolutionary movement he claims to lead.

Chavez said that he did not think it was impossible for his opponents to gather support from at least 20% of the registered electorate. About 12 million Venezuelans are registered to vote. 'With the 2,451,000 signatures they collected, they can't kick me out of the government,' he said. According to the Constitution, which allows the people to recall elected officials, a recall referendum must have the support of more voters than those obtained by the official when elected. Chavez won the 1,999 elections with 3,750,000 votes. The President?s supporters can also vote in the referendum, and can allow the President to stay if their votes outnumber those of the opposition.

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Chavez and his supporters vowed to defeat the opposition in the upcoming recall referendum.
Credit: MinCI

Recall referenda is a new constitutional right Venezuelans obtained thanks to the new Constitution drafted by an elected Constituency Assembly during Hugo Chavez's first year in office. Chavez reminded his followers that allowing the referenda was an idea proposed by him to the Constituency Assembly.

'In two months we will face them [the opposition] to fight the battle for the future of Venezuela,' the President said.

The US government was mentioned once again by the leftist president, which he accesses of leading a campaign to oust him. 'As you and I know, this battle goes beyond Venezuela, because the US government is behind Venezuela?s opposition. Mr. George W. Bush is the real instigator and the driving force behind those movements that charge against us,' he said.

As expected, Chavez dissolved the Comando Ayacucho, the coalition of political leaders from parties that support him, which coordinated their efforts against the presidential recall and for the recall of opposition lawmakers. Supporters of the president blame that coalition for the failure to prevent an alleged fraud committed by the opposition during the signature collection and signature re-verification processes by using forged documents. The Comando Ayacucho has been replaced by the Comando Maisanta in honor of Chavez's great-grandfather, a 19th century rebel fighter who led several uprisings and battles in the Venezuelan llanos. Chavez will be the head of the new coalition.

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Chavez's supporters marched from three different sections of the city.
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Grassroots groups who support Chavez plan to implement their own electoral coalitions to help him win the recall. Among their tasks will be to register voters, and watching out for fraudulent activities from the opposition.

The recall referenda against Chavez and nine opposition lawmakers will take place sometime during the first two weeks of August.

Chavez opponents marched in Caracas on Saturday celebrating the referendum call and demanded that the vote be held on August 8th, before the August 16 deadline after which the Vice-President must assume the presidency if Chavez is recalled. If recalled before Aug. 16th -half through his presidency plus one year- Chavez must step down and elections will be held within a month.

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Chavez opponents marched in Caracas on Saturday.
Credit: Venpres

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1286
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By Batko
#185940
When I'll see a spontaneous support like this one in the streets of Pyongyang for your Kimjongdude, Ixabert, then I'll start to take seriously the countless posts you post to defend his preposterous regime.

Go, Chavez, Go!
By Ixa
#185976
Batko wrote:When I'll see a spontaneous support like this one in the streets of Pyongyang for your Kimjongdude, Ixabert, then I'll start to take seriously the countless posts you post to defend his preposterous regime.

That happens all the time, but again this is irrelevant.
I do not know if people like you are consciously trying to derail every post I make by making some off-topic reference to north Korea, but it is getting annoying.
In the future moderators should delete such off-topic tripe.
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By Batko
#185985
That happens all the time


Show me the pictures, I'll tell you if it's spontaneous...

I do not know if people like you are consciously trying to derail every post I make by making some off-topic reference to north Korea, but it is getting annoying.


In this case, it's just because it makes me sick to see someone like you defending Chavez.

In the future moderators should delete such off-topic tripe.


Please, Gimme a break, Mr "Securitate".
By Ixa
#186003
But again this is irrelevant.
Congratulations, you have successfully derailed this thread.
By Napuljun
#186390
I am very happy that Chavez will let people vote for his leadership. This is going to be one of the very few referendums ever done in a socialist country (the last ones held were in Gorbachev's time and I don't know if there were held more by other leaders). This shows the advancing evolution of socialism in practice which is being more practibly favaroble than authoritarian communism.
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By Batko
#186915
"Freedom guiding the people". Nice sig, Nap! (Too bad for the Freedom's tits though... Fucking sig size limit... ;) )

Chavez is not a dictator, he's not Kimjong nor Fidel.
If one considers Chavez is a dictator, then Bush or Chirac have to be considered samely.
By Napuljun
#186951
"Freedom guiding the people". Nice sig, Nap! (Too bad for the Freedom's tits though... Fucking sig size limit... )


Quite true, but I am not the evil creator behind my sigs, its Liberal who does them ;) .
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By Der Freiheitsucher
#187015
Sigh... I won't even bother replying to you Chavez supporters who don't really know what's going on.
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By Liberal
#187028
Nopes, it`s not my style to forget the tits! :p
But I did some of the sigs allright. ;)
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By Batko
#187039
Der Freiheitsucher wrote:Sigh... I won't even bother replying to you Chavez supporters who don't really know what's going on.


Please, explain me what's going on, I'd really like to know, personally.
Is there no freedom of speech in Venezuela?
By Steven_K
#187082
Sigh... I won't even bother replying to you Chavez supporters who don't really know what's going on.


Great way to change our minds! If you don't want to say then why bother posting at all.

Although it is unfourtante it has even gone to a referendum, it will either show that Chavez indeed has a mandate, or, if he loses, show that he does respect democracy and make it so he is not remembered as a dictator.
By bach
#187100
Is there freedom of speech in Venezuela?

Yes there is, both from the left and the right, Chavez has is 4 hour long program on saturdays, and well the opposition owns most of the media within Venezuela the neighbor countries and the hispanic market in the US.

the one in the left Gustavo Cisneros, the one in the right well Bush 41, the like to fish together.

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Quick info on Cisneros

He is twice as rich as Trump,

Source: media
Net Worth: $4 bil
Country of citizenship: Venezuela
Marital Status: married , 3 children
Babson College, Bachelor of Arts / Science


Latin America's media baron, owner of big holdings in Univision, AOL Latin America, DirecTV Latin America and a score of other media companies. An outspoken critic of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez, whom he criticizes for "arrogant abuse of power and authority." In turn, Chavez accuses him of complicity in last April's coup attempt and of using his private TV station Venevision to undermine the administration, accusations Cisneros vehmently denies. Luckily, about 80% of his holdings are outside Venezuela. A socialite, Cisneros hobnobs with U.S. friends such as Jimmy Carter and George Bush Sr. Guests at his daughter's lavish New York wedding reception in October included Kofi Annan, Sid Bass and Oscar de la Renta.


http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/ ... ype=Person
By Terca
#187270
I must have read your title wrong. I would have sworn it said get ready for Cuba, but I must be seeing things. What it really said is, "Chavez and supporters, get ready for Pinochet and Chile, courtesy of the CIA and multinational corporations."

That is what it said, right?
By bach
#187283
"Chavez and supporters, get ready for Pinochet and Chile, courtesy of the CIA and multinational corporations."


Well, that already happened, but Chavez anticipated the events taking full advantage, thus being able to purged the power instutions from opposition supporters.

Now it is time for the death, the mentally ill, and everyone else who will be voting for the referendum, "those who cast the ballots decide nothing, those who count them decide everything"

this is going to be fun..
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By Der Freiheitsucher
#187297
Steven_K wrote:Great way to change our minds! If you don't want to say then why bother posting at all.


You are absolutely correct, while I was posting I knew this, but I can't be bothered trying to argue with dogmatic leftists who think that Chavez is some type of a heroe, ignoring what goes on inside Venezuela, and defending themselves with useless copied & pasted articles from the web. Nevertheless, I will make a puny attempt for, again, you are right.

Batko wrote:Please, explain me what's going on, I'd really like to know, personally.
Is there no freedom of speech in Venezuela?


Yup, there is. Although up to date Chavez has not encarcelated a journalist, or closed down some media enterprise, he has indeed threatened to do so. The questions begs, why do Venezuelans hate chavez? Basically, and to sum it up, is because he's bloody clumsy, and not the brightest one.

Why clumsy? This is a guy that comes out on national TV and claims that the US Embassador is a "faggot". No, I'm not kidding nor exagerating, that is the translation of what he said. Now I'm sure the leftists will love how Chavez insults the imperialist Amerikkkans like a third grader, but personally I'd like my president to act like a grown up and have some type of diplomacy.

He has Cubanized Venezuela. Again, I'm sure this sounds just fantastic for the communist children here in the forum, but it really isnt. Closing the borders, except when you're part of AN ARMED GUERILLA, making enemies with the neighbouring countries, et cétera. He has destroyed the economy of Venezuela with his pathetic populism. Going out to the street with bread and milk to give it to the lower classes doesn't fix anything, it's obsolete populism which contributes to his pathetic economy. Added to this, while being president of a third world country, instead of fixing the great social problems Venezuela has, chooses to invest in the military, buying F-16's. Sending a boat with petrol to Cuba may sound just great for the communist children here, but in the real world, it does nothing but create enemies and international problems over Venezuelan oil, one of its main (if not its main) industry.

The oil industry leads to the PEDEVEZA scandal, perhaps you have heard of it, perhaps you haven't. The national oil enterprise (which I repeat, is nationalized) handles the Venezuelan oil, and it's the crib for the Sindicato Petrolero (Oil Union) which has a massively strong foothold. So what does he do? Attempt firing 10,000 workers from it so he can privatize the industry, get rid of the union so he can later nationalize it again, contributing to the now growing Venezuelan unemployment, as well as massive domestic worker strikes.

The recall referendum was corrupted by Chavez's government. He tried to trip the electorate council in Venezuela by making them desvalidate signatures, invent frauds, et cétera.

Chavez is a third class demagogue who knows only about military and nothing about leading a country. I suppose the biggest prove against Chavez is the fact that all the old hard line Communists in Venezuela (Pompeyo, Teodoro) despise him. That will give food for thought for all you silly commie Chavez supporters.

Now, the sad thing is, if the recall referendum works for the opposition, and Chavez is knocked down, he will easily become the president again. Why? For the same reason Louis Philippe was able to come back to France after 1848, the dubious alliance of the opposition. Once, and if, Chavez is knocked down from power, the opposition will break down, making it that the Chavez supporters can win the elections. What I'm saying is that all the opposition is bigger than the Chavez supporters, but once they break down, the Chavez government will be much bigger than all those little opposition groups. This, added that they have no visible leader, even if the current government wanted to negotiate, they'd have no real person to sit with.

Everytime I see this idiot give one of his "Oligarcas temblad" (oligarchs tremble) speeches I feel like vomiting, a third class demagogue who is leading Venezuela to its doom.
By Terca
#187384
And even if every word of that is true, Der Freiheitsucher, do the people of Venezuela have the right to choose their leader, or do they not? Because from everything I've read, the poor majority still want him for their president, and opinions aside, isn't democracy about letting the majority decide, then live with their mistake if they choose wrongly?

No matter how bad Chavez is, he can't be as bad as what will happen if the CIA installs another Pinochet.
By Terca
#187461
VladEgon wrote:FreiheitSucher,
I'm a latinamerican and i visit Venezuela constantly, so i know what happens in Venezuela. "Los pobres cantan y los ricos lloran". He has made the educational system public and gives poor people free healthcare, he has nationalized the basic industries and has lowered the prizes of basic goods for the poor.

Chavez is a hero for the people of Venezuela, that is of course the non-white poor mayority. That why he became president with a 60% of the votes.
What you don't understand little german, is that your kind is a minority in South America, you don't matter.
That is why in the protest against chavez you see a few hundred rich white people, and in the manifestations pro-Chavez, tens of thousands.

Chavez is a close friend of Lula(Brazil), Gutierrez(Ecuador), Kirchner(Argentina), and Bolivia. He had some problems with Colombia, but now they are solved.

The problem with PDVZA was that the tecnicians earned a sick amount of money. Money that belonged to the people, so he cuted their salaries. That caused a strike. It wasn`t a massive strike, they were only a few hundred.(I know how your kind likes to exagerate, but the last one was ridiculous)

He said that the embassador was a "maricon", The literal meaning of "maricon" is faggot, but the actual meaning is son of a bitch.
Your kind says that he is some kind of dictator, but he won the election with over 60% of the votes, he has parliamentary mayority and respected the referendum. You in exchange tried a oust him by force and then call him a dictator.
By the way I wouldn't call Chavez dumb, he has four Doctor Honoris Causa titles. ¿What title do you have little German?


And about those worker strikes, Vlad, weren't they actually industry strikes, carried out by wealthy businessowners and management? I seem to have read that somewhere...
By Fernando
#187493
I suscribe every word of Der Freiheitsucher.
VladEgon wrote:He has made the educational system public and gives poor people free healthcare, he has nationalized the basic industries and has lowered the prizes of basic goods for the poor.


No in the country called "Venezuela". Maybe you are talking about other.

VladEgon wrote: little german


Little stupid, Vlad.

VladEgon wrote:That is why in the protest against chavez you see a few hundred rich white people, and in the manifestations pro-Chavez, tens of thousands.


No, it is because Ixabert ability and because they have the risk to be fired.

VladEgon wrote:He said that the embassador was a "maricon", The literal meaning of "maricon" is faggot, but the actual meaning is son of a bitch.


The actual meaning is faggot son of a bitch.

VladEgon wrote:Your kind says that he is some kind of dictator, but he won the election with over 60% of the votes, he has parliamentary mayority and respected the referendum. You in exchange tried a oust him by force and then call him a dictator.


Well, he is taking the medicine he gave to CAP, that was a (corrupt) elected president.

VladEgon wrote:By the way I wouldn't call Chavez dumb, he has four Doctor Honoris Causa titles.


He is a dumb.

1. Doctor Honoris Causa
Ciencias Políticas
otorgado por la Universidad Kyung Hee de Seul – Korea del Sur, por el Rector Chungwon Choue, el 16-10-99.

2. Doctor Honoris Causa
Facultad de Ciencias Jurídicas
otorgado por la Universidad Autónoma de Santo Domingo en la República Dominicana, el 09-03-2001.

3. Título Profesor Doctor mención Honoris Causa
Por parte de la Universidad de Brasilia entregado por el rector Alberto Pérez, Brasil, el 03-04-2001.

4. Doctor Honoris Causa
Academia Diplomática del Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores de la Federación de Rusia, el 15-05-2001.

5. Doctor Honoris Causa en Economía
Facultad de Economía y Comercio
Universidad de China en Beijing, el 24-05-2001.

All of them received when he was just appointed as preseident. Impressive.

By the way, I assume you are talking about "your class" not "your kind". I speak badly English too.
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By Der Freiheitsucher
#187527
Fernando, don't play along with Vlad, he will be banned shortly. He hates me because I called his stupidity some time ago.

Oh and Vlad, I'm not German, I'm Colombian, and I was in Caracas when the oil strikes happened. You really need to get your facts straight.
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