[Emerald Ocean]

I wonder if the photogenic likes of Camila Vallejo, the enthusiastic Communist Youth leader from Chile, have ever been to the slums of Havana or the Cuban countryside, where you will find farmers using crude, improvised farm equipment that would make John Deere roll over in his grave.

What goes through her pretty little head when she sees images like the following from Cuba:

[Pants-of-dog]

http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=66548

Chilean Student Leader Camila Vallejo Returns to Cuba

.....

“Cuba is not a perfect society and Chile does not have to follow its path. Chileans must develop their own path to overcoming inequality.” Although the progressive sectors of that country value the Cuban experience, she recalled, “We have aimed to place Chile on a path of broad social and political convergence within a multiparty system.”

There. Now you know.

[Soulflytribe]

What goes through her pretty little head when she sees images like the following from Cuba:

"American embargo caused this..."

Nevermind all countries in the world trade with Cuba and you can buy cuban cigars in any american State...

“We have aimed to place Chile on a path of broad social and political convergence within a multiparty system.”

Oh, really? I guess she is a little bit late then, since Chile already has a very stable democratic system...
Her thoughts about a multiparty system are far more required in places such as... Venezuela or Cuba!

[Emerald Ocean]

Her thoughts about a multiparty system are far more required in places such as... Venezuela or Cuba!

That's why these young idealists demanding "equality" are about a half a century too late...

What a shame, she's such a pretty girl, too bad there's nothing upstairs.

[Pants-of-dog]

What a shame, she's such a pretty girl, too bad there's nothing upstairs.

Oh, I see. You're just trolling. If you were an actual critic of Cuba, you would know better.

[Marauder]

Chile surely has problems with inequality and education, and I don't know what she thinks of Cuba but I hate her public support for Venezuela's government.

[Eauz]

For the most part, this is sentimental support for those who oppose neo-liberal capitalism. However, I don't see reason why she is viewed as an idiot. Of course Cuba is not her image of perfection, but, having seen how neo-liberalism raped her country and turned it into a dependent of the global economic system, she wants socioeconomic change to promote a strong Chile which respects the collective beneficial development of Chile for its people.

Neo-liberals want to sell the country to the banks and elites of the world, while the socialist-thinking members of society, like herself, want to reclaim Chile.

[Emerald Ocean]

Of course Cuba is not her image of perfection

Nor anybody's...

Neo-liberals want to sell the country to the banks and elites of the world, while the socialist-thinking members of society, like herself, want to reclaim Chile.

Yea but at what cost...? Should a people be forced to live in the Stone Age as in Cuba in order to bypass the "banks" and "corrupt system"...

[Eauz]

Yea but at what cost...? Should a people be forced to live in the Stone Age as in Cuba in order to bypass the "banks" and "corrupt system"...

When did using one example make a whole? Not everyone in Cuba is living as the pictures show. What your suggesting here is that now that some form of capitalism has existed in the 1800's that is somewhat sustainable, there is no need to tweak or change things, as they are perfect, so lets use a cookie cutter mold for the rest of the countries. Yeh, that surely worked out well, especially for the lolbertarians.

[Emerald Ocean]

When did using one example make a whole? Not everyone in Cuba is living as the pictures show. What your suggesting here is that now that some form of capitalism has existed in the 1800's that is somewhat sustainable, there is no need to tweak or change things, as they are perfect, so lets use a cookie cutter mold for the rest of the countries. Yeh, that surely worked out well, especially for the lolbertarians.

Castro started out as a die hard nationalist. He hated foreign meddling in Cuba's affairs - understandable. But then he became a bleeding heart Communist once the US confiscated his Cubana airliner when he went to a UN conference in New York, because the Russians supplied him with a plane to fly back to Cuba.

Ever since then, the Cuban economy has been in a tailspin, and Cuba's cities are crumbling. Cuba went from being one of the world's biggest sugar cane exporters to a net importer of sugar cane within a couple decades. They don't produce anything, everything is imported. Most of Cuba's great factories and plantations lay in ruins, with no government plans to revive them.

I am fairly sympathetic to nationalist economic issues, but Cuba is an example of why collectivism doesn't work, and you can't blame the US for Cuba's troubles; they trade with the rest of the world, including China, Russia, France, Italy etc...

[Social_Critic]

I love to read posts by sentimental supporters of the Castroite regime. I am feeling in an upbeat mood as I sit here in my air conditioned room and read the last letter I received from one of my dear relatives in Cuba, thanking me for sending him hard currency so they can survive a few more weeks. They tell me they are very happy to receive the money so they can buy materials to fix the roof, which has been leaking. The leaking water rots the walls and the floors, and this of course is a dangerous situation when they live in an 80 year old dwelling.

I also realize that communism has reached a dead end, because it is based on false premises. One, that people will work as hard as they can and be happy when they are compensated according to their needs (such needs to be decided by party leadership). Two, that people will allow a regime which survives only by repression, torture and murder to last.

Marx was a social parasite, Lenin a psychopath and an idiot. So what can we expect from communism when it's based on the idea of such individuals? Might as well try to build a skyscraper using wooden piles. In Spanish we use a term for people who lack the mental capacity to think things through. We call people like little Camila Vallejo a burro. This means a donkey.

[Eauz]

Castro started out as a die hard nationalist. He hated foreign meddling in Cuba's affairs - understandable. But then he became a bleeding heart Communist once the US confiscated his Cubana airliner when he went to a UN conference in New York, because the Russians supplied him with a plane to fly back to Cuba.

Ever since then, the Cuban economy has been in a tailspin, and Cuba's cities are crumbling. Cuba went from being one of the world's biggest sugar cane exporters to a net importer of sugar cane within a couple decades. They don't produce anything, everything is imported. Most of Cuba's great factories and plantations lay in ruins, with no government plans to revive them.

I am fairly sympathetic to nationalist economic issues, but Cuba is an example of why collectivism doesn't work, and you can't blame the US for Cuba's troubles; they trade with the rest of the world, including China, Russia, France, Italy etc...

Again, I ask, when did using one example make a whole? We never use this tool of measurement for liberal-capitalist societies, but we always use it for other other structured societies.

[Emerald Ocean]

Again, I ask, when did using one example make a whole?

Because Cuba happens to be the only remaining communist country in the world. The handful of other (former) Communist countries have already failed or collapsed!!!


Judging be this photo it looks like Camila has gained weight:

I bet she eats better than most of the "capitalists" she rallies against!

[Eauz]

I don't even know why I attempt to have serious discussions with lolbertarians. They are all one trick ponies.

[Emerald Ocean]

I don't even know why I attempt to have serious discussions with lolbertarians. They are all one trick ponies.

Is this not a fact:

Because Cuba happens to be the only remaining communist country in the world. The handful of other (former) Communist countries have already failed or collapsed.

Or are there a bunch of successful communist countries I am not aware of?

[Eauz]

You're being a-historical. Just look at some of the messed up structured societies in the 17 and 1800's that attempted capitalism in its earliest form. Massive abuse of humans and various forms of terror to force people into accepting the mode of production. Did we stop there in progress? Did we assume this was the ultimate example? No, the government and structure of the economy was reformed in various ways to the society we have today. Thus, it would be idiocy to assume that 50 years of nationalist revolutionary economics makes an excellent example of socialism/communism.

[Emerald Ocean]

You're being a-historical. Just look at some of the messed up structured societies in the 17 and 1800's that attempted capitalism in its earliest form. Massive abuse of humans and various forms of terror to force people into accepting the mode of production. Did we stop there in progress? Did we assume this was the ultimate example? No, the government and structure of the economy was reformed in various ways to the society we have today. Thus, it would be idiocy to assume that 50 years of nationalist revolutionary economics makes an excellent example of socialism/communism.

The "legacy" of communism is that it didn't work. The "we are all equal" thing didn't pan out. Only a single country is unfortunate enough to be stuck with a communist (in name only) regime clinging to power.

That's another thing, communistic regimes always "cling" to power under the guise of Marxism. A brief study of communist regimes in the 20th century would show them to be highly kleptocratic, despotic and authoritarian, and that the ruling class of commie regimes never practice what they preach, they always enjoy the expensive, foreign luxuries that are out of reach for the average communist serf.

[Eauz]

Thanks for proving my point about lolbertarians.

[Emerald Ocean]

Thanks for proving my point about lolbertarians.

In the meantime, have a nice day!

[Soulflytribe]

The malicious communists, the ones who know that communism doesn't work, but still use it thinking solely about their own personal gains (Camila Vallejo) should be treated with pure hate, disdain and despise, like enemies. We should not feel any pity towards those people. They should be shown as what they really are: people who are not different from the nazis and that wouldn't mind destroying whole countries in order to revenge their personal underachievements. Communists should be hated! We should always point the finger at them and say it loudly what they are: murderers.


The other group, the uneducated ignorant peoples who have a romantic view about communism should be enlightened. The internet is a fantastic weapon to do that.

The first thing a free citizen who want to fight for a free world should do is to learn how to differentiate the two groups and to be certain that this is a war.