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#14374542
Homo represens communistensis
Homo represens fascistensis
Homo represens religicus


So communists turn to fascists, and fascists turn to religious people?

Let me check this out:

Christ Was A Socialist
Peter was a fascist since we've established communism turns to fascism
The pope is religious.

Egad! The logic checks out!
#14374877
Solastalgia wrote:Decky is a communist.

So he'll eventually turn into a fascist.


That´s not the way it works. Honest communists stay communist. They blame the system failures on the leadership. Eventually some try to change things and are jailed and or killed. Others go into exile. Others become corrupt and accept reality, shut up, try to go up in party ranks, and do whatever it takes to survive.

I have seen happen. I have also read about it. And I had meetings with communists who saw the system failing and justified a turn towards fascism as a temporary measure. Meanwhile the destruction of society in an effort to build socialist man fails. This is what some of us call social genocide. Communism destroys what was, but can´t build anything positive to replace it. So we end up with a decaying mess, fascism, savage capitalism, and an inhuman state. Like what Russia, China, Cuba and Viet Nam are evolving into.

It´s not a joke, guys. Your system fails and it leaves a wreck behind.
#14374916
Um, Rei? Did you not read about social genocide?

The Orwellian Thought-Police That Change the Meaning of Words wrote:Meanwhile the destruction of society in an effort to build socialist man fails. This is what some of us call social genocide. Communism destroys what was, but can´t build anything positive to replace it.


Vietnam changed the society it was in. THIS IS SOCIAL GENOCIDE. Are you saying you are for the genocide of the Vietnamese people before they turn into fascists and then find religion?

This is science. You can't argue with it.
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Social_Critic wrote: This is what some of us call social genocide. Communism destroys what was, but can´t build anything positive to replace it. So we end up with a decaying mess, fascism, savage capitalism, and an inhuman state. Like what Russia, China, Cuba and Viet Nam are evolving into.

It´s not a joke, guys. Your system fails and it leaves a wreck behind.


I'm not a communist. I just find your assessment of communism to be blatantly bad.

If someone disagrees with your assessment of a political ideology, that doesn't automatically mean that they follow said political ideology, FYI.

Also, if I remember correctly, the Soviet Union didn't have a hand in "rebuilding" Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. That would be the western neoliberal shock doctrine economic advisers, like Jeffrey Sachs, and their drunk minion Boris Yeltsin. These are the people that opened up the multinational oligarchical looting of Russia after the collapse of the USSR. It was neoliberal shock therapy that killed the economy of Russia, putting masses of people into poverty. Communism is not the culprit there, but rather laissez-faire neoliberalism.
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The Immortal Goon wrote:So communists turn to fascists, and fascists turn to religious people?


No sir. Extremists can be grouped together. This includes all sorts of extremes, including religious extremism as seen for example in the Taliban or the American Evangelicals who have fired up the homophobic persecutions in Uganda.

Jesus can be considered a communist who didn´t use force to take over control of the state. If he had tried, then he would have been a run of the mill communist. This would have meant he intended to destroy society, and build new socialist man (you know how it goes). This of course required he name himself God and announce that only Christians could reach heaven provided they were rooting for Jesus. All other nationalities and religious to be considered subhuman trash fit for immediate conversion and slavery or otherwise burning in a suitable bonfire.

But, as time went by, Jesus would be frustrated by the people´s innate greed and desire to own their own houses, and he would have named Peter secret police commissar, and ordered Paul to become the leader of the Revolutionary Christian Guards. These two apostles would be the defenders of the nation, the faith and of God (Jesus) himself.

Eventually, as the economy failed and Jesus saw heathen Europeans and Arabs encroaching on his kingdom on earth he would have switched strategy, and turned to fascism, saluting with the right arm, announcing the nation needed even more centralized control, and forming joint ventures with Chinese and Mayan investors. He would have also declared that extreme communism didn´t fit the first century AD, and therefore the people would have to find work on their own as small time entrepeneurs (what Raul Castro calls "cuenta propia"), and could no longer be his employees.

Peter and Paul, being loyal apostles, would then have switched to wearing black shirts and devoted themselves to beating the crap out of any Christians who refused to work on their own or for the joint venture factories and farms owned by the Mayan and Chinese joint ventures.

And meanwhile Jesus would have married Mary Magdalene, had three sons, and they would be poker, golf, and chess national champions. After all, who would dare go against the Sons of God?

Get it?
#14375398
What is going on this thread? Jesus was a communist who would have turned to fascism if the Romans hadn't "fascism'd" him first?

Homogenizing your enemies is a lazy way to try and make yourself seem totally apart as a pure force for good, untainted by dirty Venn diagram intersection... which is my territory anyway.
#14375406
Technology wrote:untainted by dirty Venn diagram intersection... which is my territory anyway.


lol at least you're humble enough to admit it, Tech. S_C on the other hand, seems like he's in for the long haul on this thing.
#14375432
Well, I don't think actually existing fascism, communism, and liberal-capitalism are remotely the same things at all. I just think that if you try hard enough you can make a logically coherent fusion of many of their key aspects.

Is Social Critic doing the same thing to pull a few legs? Or is he... serious?

Either way a master is at work. I cannot compete. Only salute in awe.
#14375444
Technology wrote:Well, I don't think actually existing fascism, communism, and liberal-capitalism are remotely the same things at all. I just think that if you try hard enough you can make a logically coherent fusion of many of their key aspects.

Is Social Critic doing the same thing to pull a few legs? Or is he... serious?

Either way a master is at work. I cannot compete. Only salute in awe.


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#14375546
Technology wrote:Well, I don't think actually existing fascism, communism, and liberal-capitalism are remotely the same things at all. I just think that if you try hard enough you can make a logically coherent fusion of many of their key aspects.

Is Social Critic doing the same thing to pull a few legs? Or is he... serious?

Either way a master is at work. I cannot compete. Only salute in awe.


Fascism and communism are related because they SHARE common properties. An example would be White shark/seagoing croc. Their common properties are large, live in the ocean, and large bite.

Returning to communism and fascism, both rely on concentration of power at a center, which is usually a single political party tied to a charismatic leader or a bullshit variant (maoism versus stalisnism, nazism versus falangism). There are other common properties, and most of these lead to slavery and abuse of power.

What many of us have observed as communism failed in the 20th century was how it was replaced by fascist regimes. This doesn´t mean those in power declare themselves openly to be fascist. How can they when they claim to be legitimate dictators because they are communists and defenders of the people´s interests?

Thus they carry out subtle shifts over time, all of which involve the gradual introduction of capitalism and private ownership of property. They continue to direct things from a central tower, but they also allow some market mechanisms to emerge.

Let´s be clear, I´m not social scientist. I am interested in this process because I have been its victim, and as I try to fight back I observe the sons of bitches turn fascist and become friendly with the capitalist West, which is more interested in the money to be earned when dealing with these emerging fascist entities than their platitudes about human freedom and human rights.

The fact is that communism always fails, that most (not all) communists are sons of bitches who are willing to use violence, torture and whatever method comes handy to impose their shitty system on the general population, and that later these same sons of bitches, or their descendants, are willing to become fascists is not a surprise to me. I endured a lot of abuse, insults and threats from those sons of bitches when I was young, and I have observed their nazi like behavior as they turn fascists not to be extremely focused on how they behave.

They are my enemies, and thus I have to know them. And I do.

BELOW WE SEE THE FIRST PROTESTER SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD BY VENEZUELAN SECRET POLICE FEB 12, 2014.
SINCE THEN 25 have died while protesting, over 200 have been wounded, and about 2000 have been arrested.

The number of dead and disappeared are hard to tell, because Venezuela suffers from a very high murder rate. This means that in the 30 days since this young man was killed at La Candelaria, nearly 1500 venezuelans have been murdered, and thousands more wounded. In this mayhem, it´s hard to tell who is being murdered for political reasons and who is being hit in "normal circumstances". I bring this up because the Maduro regime is considered a Cuban puppet installing a hard line dictatorship. Thus these events are within the process of metamorphosis of the Cuban and Venezuelan regimes from communism into fascism.

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#14375548
I could never have done better at disproving these bullshit theories than you have in the last two posts

You can't just redefine words for ideological reasons and then try to change reality to meet that. It is absurd. Read what you've written!
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#14375593
No. He's saying that fascism sucks and as communism will inevitably turn into fascism, communism sucks.
#14375602
Goose step is a very, very silly marching style. Although, it originated in 18th century Prussia, not with communists or fascists. George Orwell summed it up very well in The Lion and the Unicorn:

George Orwell wrote:One rapid but fairly sure guide to the social atmosphere of a country is the parade-step of its army. A military parade is really a kind of ritual dance, something like a ballet, expressing a certain philosophy of life. The goose-step, for instance, is one of the most horrible sights in the world, far more terrifying than a dive-bomber. It is simply an affirmation of naked power; contained in it, quite consciously and intentionally, is the vision of a boot crashing down on a face. Its ugliness is part of its essence, for what it is saying is ‘Yes, I am ugly, and you daren't laugh at me’, like the bully who makes faces at his victim. Why is the goose-step not used in England? There are, heaven knows, plenty of army officers who would be only too glad to introduce some such thing. It is not used because the people in the street would laugh. Beyond a certain point, military display is only possible in countries where the common people dare not laugh at the army.

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