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By Balancer
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Yesterday in Aleppo. Celebrating the first anniversary of liberation from ISIS. The city that razed to the ground Russian aviation and drowned in the blood of the dictator Assad.

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By Balancer
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Several high-profile news from Syria. At first there was sad news that on December 31 the Mi-24 helicopter crashed. Two pilots were killed, the flight engineer was wounded. Militants from Jabal Sheikh Mujahidin said they shot down a helicopter, the Russian Defense Ministry said later that the helicopter was lost due to a technical malfunction.

But this news immediately eclipsed the other. In the Russian media yesterday, a sensation was published. Russian airbase Khmeimim was attacked on the same day, December 31, by mortar shelling by militants. Seven airplanes were destroyed. Including 4 Su-24 bombers, two Su-35S fighters and one An-72 transport aircraft.

This information originated from internal sources. There was no such statement on the part of the militants. Therefore, it was worth attentive to her. The probability that the information was fake is not high, because initially the publication was in the media "Kommersant", which were rarely published on the publication of fakes. A little later, through independent channels, information was received that the shelling was, but the losses are not as terrible as stated in Kommersant.

The Russian Defense Ministry today commented on this information very vaguely: "Information on the destruction of seven planes by the enemy at the airbase of Khmeimim in Syria does not correspond to reality. "Kommersant's" report on the alleged actual destruction of seven Russian military aircraft at the Khmeimim airbase is a fake.The Russian air group in Syria is in combat readiness and continues to fulfill all tasks for the intended purpose in full." Pay attention to the wording - fake actually called the statement of the amount of loss. The fact of the shelling itself is not denied and is not confirmed. It is claimed that the air group is combat-ready, but this is possible in the presence of losses.

That is, collecting all the sources of information into a single whole, it turns out that the shelling was, there are some losses of technology, but not in the same volume as it is stated in Kommersant. And the Ministry of Defense did not lie, having got rid of the truth in a streamlined form :)

And, finally, there were the first unofficial photos from the air base of Khmeimim. It can be seen that at least one Su-24 is moderately damaged. He has destroyed the fin tail and there is a hole in the fuel tank. We are waiting for more information :)

And I wonder in what form all this will be filed in Western media :)

Although, of course, the fact that the militants were allowed into the distance mortar shot - this is a huge miscalculation of the security services.

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By skinster
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America is escalating its direct war on Syria. :knife:

U.S. to Send More Diplomats and Personnel to Syria
The Trump administration plans to expand the number of U.S. diplomats and contractors in eastern Syria to help stabilize the once Islamic State-controlled part of the country, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Friday.

Mr. Mattis didn’t provide any details about how many U.S. personnel would be sent or when, but he cited two Syrian cities that would receive U.S. help—Tabqa and Raqqa, the de facto Islamic State capital until it fell out of its control this year.

“What we will be doing is shifting from what I would call an offensive, terrain-seizing approach to a stabilizing” one, Mr. Mattis said Friday in a briefing with reporters at the Pentagon. “You will see more U.S. diplomats on the ground, for example.”

His comments indicate that the U.S. effort in Syria would be expanding even as the military campaign against Islamic State appeared to be waning. Earlier this month, the U.S. military said it would keep forces in Syria indefinitely to conduct counterterrorism operations.

The U.S. doesn’t have diplomatic relations with Syria but rather officially communicates U.S. issues to the Syrian government through the Czech Republic in what is referred to as a protecting power. It is unclear how the U.S. could send diplomats to Syria since the two countries don’t have diplomatic relations.

Nevertheless, Mr. Mattis said the diplomats would work toward the “initial restoration of services,” “bring in contractors,” and manage and administer international donations dedicated to rebuilding cities destroyed during the three-year conflict to wrest control of land from Islamic State.

There also would be a continuing military component to the U.S. presence there. “The military would move our diplomats around, protect them,” Mr. Mattis said.

He said contractors would teach local forces how to clear formerly Islamic State-controlled cities of explosives left behind by the jihadist group as it fled territory that once made up its self-declared caliphate.

“We are going to be training people on how to clear IEDs,” or improvised explosive devices, he said, adding, “We will be bringing in contractors for it.”

The defense secretary suggested that the U.S. needed to become more involved in Syria to ensure that Islamic State doesn’t re-emerge there.

“The longer term recovery is going to take a lot of effort and a lot of years after what they did,” Mr. Mattis said, referring to the militant group. The addition of diplomats and contractors “is an attempt to move toward the normalcy. That takes a lot of support.”

Brett McGurk, the special presidential envoy to the international coalition fighting Islamic State, said in September that the State Department had a small team of “development and humanitarian experts” on the ground in Syria.

There are currently approximately 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria. The U.S. military has refused to say how many of its contractors currently are in Syria. There are 4,609 such contractors in Iraq, according to the latest department quarterly report.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-to-sen ... 1514576552
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By Balancer
#14876941
Russian Defense Ministry planes delivered school boards and New Year gifts to Syria.



It looks like trolling from the Ministry of Defense :) The plot at 01:19 shows the Su-24 with the number 29, which was recently shown damaged. Whether the recording was made before December 31, whether it had already been repaired, or whether the number had been repainted for another plane.
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By Balancer
#14877136
Today there was another video clip, where again without commentary they show the Su-24 with the onboard number 29. The fact that this is a thin trolling of the Defense Ministry is obvious :)
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By roxunreal
#14877513
So the SAA is literally disemboweling south Idlib for the last 2 weeks. Rebels are routing and the last few days have seen little resistance. The objective is Abu Duhur airbase and eventually linking up with forces at Hader in south Aleppo. The entirety of east Idlib will probably soon become a big pocket. The SAA conveniently didn't attack the new ISIS pocket there and used all the commotion during battles between HTS and ISIS to make all this progress. The terrain is favorable and settlements small so they shouldn't have too much trouble. I'm curious if they'll try to use these advances to advance on Khan Shaykun from the north and east along the mountains it's clear that current rebel held north Hama and beyond is very unfavorable to attack from the south.

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By skinster
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How We Were Misled About Syria: the role of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)
I have unbounded admiration for the doctors who volunteer for the invaluable and often dangerous work of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF). The question concerns MSF’s policy of ‘bearing witness’. MSF will speak out – even against governments – when it thinks a humanitarian situation could and should be dealt with differently by those it holds responsible.[1] It has done so in Syria.

But if none of MSF’s international doctors have been on the ground in Syria’s war zones since 2015,[2] how can MSF claim to bear witness for what is happening there?

MSF has relayed reports from the rebel-held areas to which, exclusively, its supplies and support have been dispatched. The reports – including allegations of government attacks on hospitals and civilians – come from people working with the permission and protection of such groups as Al Nusra, Isis and other foreign jihadis and mercenaries. These anti-government forces are known to exercise a rule of terror and to be not overly concerned about ordinary citizens’ access to medical attention. That is precisely why the MSF doctors withdrew from the areas under their control.[3] So there is scope to ask who the medics on the ground were, and who they were treating.

My question, though, simply concerns the reliability of uncorroborated witness statements coming from potentially compromised sources. For while press statements have been issued from various MSF offices around the world, it appears MSF had no independent access to verifiable information from Syria.

In fact, the public unavailability of detailed or verified information is a matter of record: even John Kirby of the US State Department could only assert that ‘relief agencies that we find credible are levelling these accusations’.[4]

The most prominent relief agency, and visible in all video footage linked to the alleged bombings, is the White Helmets. It is a matter of record that the White Helmets are funded by the NATO and Gulf states whose avowed aim is regime change in Syria; it is generally believed that they work closely with terrorist organisations (how else could the Netflix documentary have shown them roaming so freely in a zone where MSF and Western journalists dared not set foot?[5]). Their independence and integrity are widely questioned.[6]

So while MSF has often been cited as an independent source of support for White Helmet testimony, its press statements have in fact merely repeated White Helmet claims![7]

Whether intending it or not, MSF thereby became complicit in purveying a particular narrative that suffused the Western media during the period from 22 September to 22 December 2016.[8] Before September, the media had been perfectly clear that the citizens of eastern Aleppo were being held captive, effectively as human shields, by forces dominated by jihadist terrorists.[9] That changed following the uncompromising statement by Samantha Power to the UN Security Council, in which she invoked the White Helmets as victims and witnesses of Russian and Syrian aggression.[10]

Western governments and media re-designated the terrorist groups as ‘moderate rebels’.[11] Concurrently, anti-government activists like Lina Shamy started tweeting in English, the celebrated twitter account in the name of the child Bana was created, and there followed a flow of ‘famous last webcams’ from purported ordinary civilians voicing fears of impending massacre by the Syrian government.

Those of us in the West who were uncertain about the authenticity of all this social media activity in a zone lacking basic infrastructure, let alone wifi,[12] were coaxed to accept the mainstream narrative because a respected organisation like MSF apparently bore witness to it.[13] Few of us realised that MSF was merely repeating White Helmet testimony, not independently verifying it.

The consistent testimony now coming from the people who have been liberated in eastern Aleppo suggests a quite different story from the one that Netflix and our media have promoted.[14] The Helmets themselves appear to have melted away with the departure from Aleppo of the jihadists and mercenaries. If there were any genuinely independent doctors working with them in Aleppo, they too have yet to be heard from. But most telling, in view of White Helmet claims to have saved some 70,000 lives (or whatever exact number we are invited to believe), is that not a single person interviewed in liberated Aleppo has thanked them.

So, in seeking to bear witness against the Syrian government, MSF has made claims on a basis that is uncertain and contested.[15] By so publicly associating itself with the White Helmets and their narrative it may have risked compromising the reputation it relies on to attract international doctors.

Those of us who deeply appreciate the service to humankind of MSF’s international doctors are left to hope the organisation coordinating their work can be more sure to avoid bearing false witness.[16]

The problem with the false narrative is no trivial one, for it perpetuates a fundamental misrecognition of the causes of the war – and thus of all the casualities the doctors have to deal with. A false narrative not only gives impunity to the guilty but it supports them in moving ever onwards with their murderous designs. It distracts from the ethical truth, too, that the jihadis and the states supplying them with arms and opportunity are in fundamental breach of the law and morality of just warfare.
https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2016/1 ... -in-syria/

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By Balancer
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Again a big noise from Syria. On January 6, a massive attack by unmanned aerial vehicles on Russian bases in Syria was foiled. In total, 13 vehicles took part in the attack, 10 in Khmeimim and 3 in Tartus.

Six goals managed to take control by the Russian means of electronic warfare. 3 of these was landed in controlled territory outside the base, and 3 more UAVs was detonated from a collision with the ground.

Seven UAVs were destroyed by "Pantsir-S" of Russian air defense.

No UAV has achieved the targets, no injured and no damage.

In my opinion, this is the world's first case of such a mass attack by homemade UAVs by terrorists. It is very pleasant that our air defense forces were ready to repel such a raid with such complex targets.

Although against this background, new questions arise to attack Khmeimim on December 31. The official version with mortar shelling is not the best way to explain all the facts. But the fact that it could be a trial attack using UAV, to repel an attack which was then not ready - is more interesting.

Here are photos with intercepted "gifts" from ISIS.

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Here is a local resident demonstrating the wreckage of one of the destroyed vehicles.

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By roxunreal
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Late October and today:

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It will be interesting when SAA tries to capture Saraqib, which would be the logical next step after the salient east of Abu Duhur, as it's probably the most crucial road junction in the entirety of the rebel territory, connecting roads from all major rebel cities. If the rebel defense of Saraqib turns out to be weak and the city falls in a short time, it will be an indicator that the bulk of the rebel defensive capability is depleted. So far the areas south and east of Abu Duhur have been defended lightly, but HTS may just be abandoning the predominantly rural area in favor of defending Idlib and other larger cities. Saraqib however is crucial and HTS wouldn't just pull out after an offensive without putting great effort in its defense as its fall would screw up logistics A LOT and also make Idlib wide open for attack, so if it falls easily it will be a good indicator of rebel strength or lack thereof.
By skinster
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How can you support the SAA and Trump simultaneously, when the latter is sending more mercenaries into Syria without the permission of the government, in fact, in opposition of the Syrian government?

How does that happen?
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By Igor Antunov
#14879740
Because I'm not an absolutist or ideologue. Beyond this region, they both serve my ends. Trump's mercs in Syria are ineffective and will be defeated, my bro Putin will achieve his objectives.

On the other hand Trump's polarization of the US establishment is very effective. Further polarization of the west is beneficial to my interests.

Yes, all very good indeed. This is why I'm fond of both Trump and Putin's proxies.
By skinster
#14879866
Because I'm not an absolutist or ideologue.


:lol:

Anyway, it's still really fucking bizarre how you support Trump and Putin in Syria.

Still, remember how you were pro Trump being anti-interventionist in Syria/everywhere (lol) during the election and now you're still okay with him lying to you?

On the other hand Trump's polarization of the US establishment is very effective. Further polarization of the west is beneficial to my interests.


Trump has (slowly) come out as a neocon, following the neocon plan vis-a-vis DPRK, Iran, China, Russia etc. When will you wake up to this? I mean, you can continue to act like a cuck for Trump all you like, but sooner or later you're going to have to admit that you were played. Hard.

I'm trying to help you here... :)
By skinster
#14880512
Tillerson’s Schizophrenia and Neocon-Approved “Assad Must Go” Policy
Confirming that the US military presence inside Syria had little to do with fighting ISIS, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson unveiled in detail today the real US strategy for Syria: overthrow of the Assad government.

In a speech at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and introduced by President George W. Bush’s Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Secretary Tillerson vowed that the United States military would continue to occupy Syrian territory until three conditions are met:

First: ISIS must be destroyed.
This condition is made all the more problematic by the well-reported fact that it is the United States government that at every turn seems to pull ISIS chestnuts out of the fire. From handing them weapons to allowing them to escape when they are trapped in places like Raqqa, it almost seems like the US does not want to really see the end of ISIS.

Second: Assad must go.
Tillerson’s admission that this is a sine qua non for any US military departure from Syria confirms that the Trump foreign policy is no different from that of Hillary Clinton or her former boss, President Obama. Recall that as part of his “thank you” tour, President-elect Trump reiterated promises made by candidate Trump to break with the past:

“We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past. We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments. …In our dealings with other countries we will seek shared interests wherever possible…”

It is clear that he lied, as it is reported that he signed off on this new Syria strategy last month at a meeting of his National Security Council.

Secretary Tillerson said today that new elections should be held in Syria and that President Assad should lose:

“The United States believes that free and transparent elections … will result in the permanent departure of Assad and his family from power… Assad’s regime is corrupt, and his methods of governance and economic development have increasingly excluded certain ethnic and religious groups… Such oppression cannot persist forever.”

Tillerson’s speech reveals that the old myth about the Syrian people “rising up” to overthrow Assad is still very much viewed as Gospel truth in Washington:

“…our expectation is that the desire for a return to normal life … will help rally the Syrian people and individuals within the regime to compel Assad to step down.”

Translation: we are going to continue to make life miserable for you until you overthrow Assad. Then it will return to “normal.” Presumably the people of Syria understand what “normal” life after a US “liberation” looks like from examples like Libya, Iraq, and Ukraine.

Tillerson also made the bizarre assertion that US troops will remain in Syria to prevent the Syrian government from re-establishing control over the parts of Syria abandoned by a defeated ISIS. So the legitimate government of Syria will be prevented by an illegal United States military occupation from reclaiming its own territory? This is supposed to be a coherent policy?

Third: Refugees must be returned to Syria.
Secretary Tillerson said today at Stanford University:
“America has an opportunity to help people who have suffered greatly. The safe and voluntary return of #Syrian refugees serves the security interests of the U.S. and our allies and partners. We must give Syrians a chance to return home and rebuild their lives.”

But the one event that led to the biggest return of refugees back to Syria was violently opposed by the US government: the Syrian government’s liberation of east Aleppo from al-Qaeda control!

For additional consideration:

The US military is busy creating a 30,000-strong Kurdish militia to reportedly guard Syria’s borders with Turkey and Iraq. NATO-ally Turkey is violently opposing US moves to further arm Kurd groups that it considers terrorist.

The discredited “Free Syrian Army” (FSA) is back in Washington begging the Trump Administration to re-open the CIA weapons pipeline. The FSA is perhaps best known for immediately handing any weapons it gets from Washington directly to al-Qaeda in Syria. Will Trump’s neocon-filled ecosphere convince him to once again put some wind in al-Qaeda’s sails?

Will Congress awake from its slumber and finally dust off the part of the Constitution directing the Legislative Branch to decide on matters of war and peace? It’s probably an ill-advised bet, however there are a few whispers on Capitol Hill that a shift in US military focus from anti-ISIS to anti-Assad and anti-Iran might be slightly problematic.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has just unveiled a 100 percent neocon approved “new” US policy for Syria: No more pussyfooting around. We won’t abandon our project in Syria like Obama “abandoned” Libya (presumably, as the neocon myth goes, on the verge of becoming a new Switzerland after its “liberation” only to be thrust back into the mire by Obama’s premature withdrawal).

President Trump is set to out-neocon the neocons with this foolish and destructive policy. The showman is shown to be nothing but a fraud.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/01/18/s ... go-policy/
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Look beyond the empty twitter/social media spam and meaningless whitehouse press releases. Trump has done nothing to curtail Russian ambitions in Syria, or to stop Assad from regaining his country. Trukey is playing a bigger role in regards to Syria and Iraq today than the US. Similarly Iran is just peachy, no additional sanctions, no ramping up of US military presence in Iraq. It continues to prop up its proxies in Yemen, and pump more republican guard resources into Syria and Hezbollah, cementing its forward deployment vs Israel.

Us is just an observer. It talks the talk to entertain/distract you. Trump is an isolationist, nothign he has actually physically implemented runs contrary to that.

Update: After a brief visit to Moscow by turkey's minister of Defense, Russia has pulled back observers from Afrin, and Turkey has mounted an all out invasion of Afrin with the goal of 'destroying the YPG/SDF' stationed there.

Next phase will probably involve the destruction of the eastern Kurdish pocket, it is interesting to see US proxy pets get destroyed by a US ally.
By Atlantis
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Everybody knew that the Kurds would get fucked in the end. That doesn't signal any change in US policy. Trump follows the same foreign policy as all presidents before him, just with minor changes. The requirements of the empire are non-negotiable. Neither is he more isolationist, he just tries to make others pay. He immediately increased the bombing and drone mission, multiplying civilian casualties. He confirmed giant defense contracts for the Saudis and edged them on in their regional conflicts. He keeps the pressure on Iran, while pampering Israel beyond believe. He now sanctions the illegal presence of US troops in Syria, even though he knows he can't topple Assad as long as Putin doesn't want it.

Nothing new under the sun, the US will always fan local conflict as long as others have to bear the cost.
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