- 20 Jun 2012 09:07
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Le-sigh, here we see your usal rhetoric, they are all evil, they are the cause of all problems, Israel is the enlignthed angel of the middle east and can do no wrong.
Firstly what is happening in the middle east, the Arab Spring, has very little to do with Israel and more to do with Arab governments staying in power far too long, or leaders (such as Assad) who don't want to relinquish power and the privilege that goes with it (or in the case of Assad, has gotten himself into such a bind by fighting against reform that he can no longer give up power without the reformists seeking retribution against him because of what he has done with that power. Like in Egypt, Assad can't leave office without ending up in the dock on charges of abuse of authority and crimes against the people of the state).
Where Israel does come into context as far as the Arab spring, is via it's big brother America in propping up governments that have now been deposed because Israel & America wanted governments in place that were amenable/flexible towards Israeli and American interests - thus why Egypt may re-negotiate the terms of it's agreements with Israel and America when a new government comes in (if a new government comes in). You have criticized the Egyptians for this desire to renegotiate the deals, but what they want is a level playing field in negotiations, not a field that is tipped in Israel's favor because if they don't play ball the Israeli's will pull some strings and get the Americans to pull some support. Yet you play this up as "They hate us Jews" when what they demand is a level playing field.
Next is Israel's supposed loss of power in the region. Israel is still the dominant power in the middle east, but what Israel has lost is the international communities belief in Israel's sincerity towards peace with the Palestinians and the wider Middle eastern community.
You are partially correct that the collective animosity towards Israel has bound the Arab states together under a common cause.
But Israel's waning power (which is not waning at all, but Israel is just as strong now as it was years ago) is not what has caused the Arab spring, Arab dictators, political stagnation, and lack of freedom are what caused the Arab spring. Not waning Israeli power.
Jeez Moshe, why don't you just say the light that grows the worlds plants shines out of Israel's ass. You obviously think it does.
Israel's relationship with the Palestinians and the wider Arab community is far more complex than you can even fathom.
Your solution to the Arab spring appears to be: Give Israel all the power, and everything will be all right in the morning. In essence: Israeli dominance, Arab/Gentile subservience to that dominance will result in peace. Peace comes from equality, not dominance and subservience, that comes from the Master and Slave relationship - and the Arab Spring is the result of that relationship: When the Politically Enslaved Population rose up against its Political Masters.
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.
Moshe wrote:The mayhem in the Middle East is not because of Israel but in spite of Israel. Sadly, it reflects a deminishing of Israels power in the region. For decades Israel by its presence was, almost unwittingly, the glue that binded the warring Arab world together & stopped them sliding into all out war & conflict with each other.
With Israels power deminishing, we see the Arab world unravelling.
Le-sigh, here we see your usal rhetoric, they are all evil, they are the cause of all problems, Israel is the enlignthed angel of the middle east and can do no wrong.
Firstly what is happening in the middle east, the Arab Spring, has very little to do with Israel and more to do with Arab governments staying in power far too long, or leaders (such as Assad) who don't want to relinquish power and the privilege that goes with it (or in the case of Assad, has gotten himself into such a bind by fighting against reform that he can no longer give up power without the reformists seeking retribution against him because of what he has done with that power. Like in Egypt, Assad can't leave office without ending up in the dock on charges of abuse of authority and crimes against the people of the state).
Where Israel does come into context as far as the Arab spring, is via it's big brother America in propping up governments that have now been deposed because Israel & America wanted governments in place that were amenable/flexible towards Israeli and American interests - thus why Egypt may re-negotiate the terms of it's agreements with Israel and America when a new government comes in (if a new government comes in). You have criticized the Egyptians for this desire to renegotiate the deals, but what they want is a level playing field in negotiations, not a field that is tipped in Israel's favor because if they don't play ball the Israeli's will pull some strings and get the Americans to pull some support. Yet you play this up as "They hate us Jews" when what they demand is a level playing field.
Next is Israel's supposed loss of power in the region. Israel is still the dominant power in the middle east, but what Israel has lost is the international communities belief in Israel's sincerity towards peace with the Palestinians and the wider Middle eastern community.
You are partially correct that the collective animosity towards Israel has bound the Arab states together under a common cause.
But Israel's waning power (which is not waning at all, but Israel is just as strong now as it was years ago) is not what has caused the Arab spring, Arab dictators, political stagnation, and lack of freedom are what caused the Arab spring. Not waning Israeli power.
Jeez Moshe, why don't you just say the light that grows the worlds plants shines out of Israel's ass. You obviously think it does.
Israel's relationship with the Palestinians and the wider Arab community is far more complex than you can even fathom.
Your solution to the Arab spring appears to be: Give Israel all the power, and everything will be all right in the morning. In essence: Israeli dominance, Arab/Gentile subservience to that dominance will result in peace. Peace comes from equality, not dominance and subservience, that comes from the Master and Slave relationship - and the Arab Spring is the result of that relationship: When the Politically Enslaved Population rose up against its Political Masters.
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.