- 09 Oct 2012 14:28
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Yes, compared to their socities, we do pretty well, considering that when we protest, our goverment doesn't shoot at us amonst other things. We aren't perfect, we do some pretty nasty things, and I won't cover my ears about them. I don't agree to say Israel is a shining becon of Western enlightment, but we are hardly the monster you paint us to be.
And yes, we were concived in the occident, big fucking mistake, mistake that happend more then 80 years ago, I was -born- here, this is -my- home. What do you want me to do? repent over the sins of my ancestors? go back to Poland? greek? Germany? what is your point?
What if, what would have happen, yeah I get it.
But we are talking about the god damned present, not the past, whatever turned them to savages, as right as you may be, doesn't exclude from what I say, -we- have to deal with this, and you can't deal with it the way you treat your nice european neighbour.
You don't really negate anything I just said. Just going "YEAH! BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT"
Yes, I get it, doesn't change any of my views though.
MVictorP wrote:
"You" were even less before 1948 and yet you had a brighter future than you have today. We expect some occidental values from Israel, because that's always what Israel uses to sell itself to the west - look at our nice, west-like society, and then look at their barbarous ones!!!
Israel is a nation that was conceived in the occident, not in the physical place it hold in the levant.
Yes, compared to their socities, we do pretty well, considering that when we protest, our goverment doesn't shoot at us amonst other things. We aren't perfect, we do some pretty nasty things, and I won't cover my ears about them. I don't agree to say Israel is a shining becon of Western enlightment, but we are hardly the monster you paint us to be.
And yes, we were concived in the occident, big fucking mistake, mistake that happend more then 80 years ago, I was -born- here, this is -my- home. What do you want me to do? repent over the sins of my ancestors? go back to Poland? greek? Germany? what is your point?
you honestly believe the arab world is just made of poor wittle farmers who suffer under the Israeli heel? look around you! when they aren't busy trying to kill us, they are busy killing each -other-! it's not that I think the arab people are violent, but their culture as of now sure is! So yes, we occupy the palistinans, yes, we threaten war against Iran, but in this given situasion, you honestly think -your- people would have done better?
MVictorP wrote:
There. You do it - exactly like I wrote, You are facing "savages". Yet, they wouldn't be so savage, maybe, if we (the west) didn't fuck their nascent democraties or exploit them for their ressources while corrupting their lofty monarchs. The division of the Arabs/Persian (okay, granted, that was rather easy) is essential to occidental interest in the region. God preserve us from an unified front! As long as their only choices are absolute monarchy or Islamist regime, things will go the west's way.
What if, what would have happen, yeah I get it.
But we are talking about the god damned present, not the past, whatever turned them to savages, as right as you may be, doesn't exclude from what I say, -we- have to deal with this, and you can't deal with it the way you treat your nice european neighbour.
You don't really negate anything I just said. Just going "YEAH! BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT"
Yes, I get it, doesn't change any of my views though.