[mikema63]

Not that I necessarily disbelieve you but that is the sort of post that a link is helpful in. I found news stories about the polling but couldn't find a link to the actual data itself. (To be fair I'm on my phone and only spent 10 minutes looking) I would be interested in seeing it.

I'll just point out that I'm against intervention, before that comes up again.

[ingliz]

The World Tribune was the first to break the story which was then taken up by 'respectable' MSM outlets. I have to assume respectable news organisations would verify the story before going to print.

Sources were the source.

And, to my knowledge, NATO has not published the datasets.

[mikema63]

I'm not questioning it's validity, I just wanted to see the whole report, additional questions, etc.

[pikachu]

Democratic socialists. Liberalism by any other name smells just a shit. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, it is suit wearers being shot in the street, it is gulags teeming with bankers and landlords learning the joys of working for the first time in their life. It is workers grasping their own future in the own two hands labouring to make life better for themselves and their children under the watchful eye of the NKVD to make sure they don't stray from the one true path into darkness.

Yeah, well, these guys you're talking about here, you know, the ones who came to power in Russia and who invented the gulag and the NKVD, do you happen to remember by any chance how their political party was called at the time when they seized power in Russia?
It was called "Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (bolshevik)"

This is just to say that "Democratic Socialism" is historically a pretty broad term. And yeah, today's democratic socialists probably don't identify themselves with Lenin and his methods, but they are still obviously "left", so I am including them as well when I'm saying that the leftist ideology doesn't really go well with supporting the Syrian regime. But it's not only "Democratic Socialists" either, as you can see, I quoted some self-described Marxists and revolutionary socialists as well. The "Syria's voice of conscience" guy was a member of the Syrian Communist Party.

[Decky]

There are only two groups that stand a chance of winning power over Syria in the long term and they are the government and the clerical reactionaries, left wingers (almost by definition) can not and do not support groups like ISIS, they stand opposed to everything we believe now and have ever believed. No one is buying it. We all know ISIS's arms and intel are both delivered by the Israelis and the Americans, two nations not exactly known for their left wing sentiments. The right stands with ISIS and the left with Assad.

[pikachu]

The data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent
of Syrians support the Assad regime. Another 20 percent were deemed neutral and the remaining 10 percent expressed support for the rebels.

That figure matches up well with reality. A lightly armed group that has the support of 10% of Syria's population apparently managed to stage massive revolts all over Syria and take control of 80% of Syria's land while fighting against the government that had the overwhelming superiority in firepower from the start and the support of 70% of the population. Also, not a single pro-Assad uprising had ever happened in all the land occupied by the group. I have never seen a more obvious bullshit.

The right stands with ISIS and the left with Assad.

yeah okay.

[Hindsite]

That figure matches up well with reality. A lightly armed group that has the support of 10% of Syria's population apparently managed to stage massive revolts all over Syria and take control of 80% of Syria's land while fighting against the government that had the overwhelming superiority in firepower from the start and the support of 70% of the population. Also, not a single pro-Assad uprising had ever happened in all the land occupied by the group. I have never seen a more obvious bullshit.

You seem to ignore that the Obama administration was helping the rebels because they believed "Assad must go". The liberal Democrats say that all the time. That is another reason they don't like Trump. They fear that Trump will side with Russia to keep Assad in power, thus another reason for them to keep the Russian collusion story alive.

[pikachu]

You seem to ignore that

lightly armed group

against the government that had the overwhelming superiority in firepower

accounted for

[Ter]

Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat, it is suit wearers being shot in the street, it is gulags teeming with bankers and landlords learning the joys of working for the first time in their life. It is workers grasping their own future in the own two hands labouring to make life better for themselves and their children under the watchful eye of the NKVD to make sure they don't stray from the one true path into darkness.

Oh no! Decky wants that nobody should have it good, pushing everybody in the dreck.
I pass for that.

[skinster]

That is total nonsense Pikachu...

Exactly.

skinster had posted an op-ed by a leftist who is against the Syrian government

If you missed it, that post was reeking of sarcasm since the so-called leftists or socialists who wrote that op-ed sounded like what one would expect reading a statement on Syria coming from the US state dept.

No socialist I know supports imperialism and they certainly do not support Islamists, which is what the opposition of the Syrian govt are.

A NATO study shows that 70% of Syrians support President Bashar al-Assad, 20% adopt a neutral position and 10% support the "rebels."

Exactly. The majority of Syrians support their government, and that includes the vast majority of the Syrians who are Sunnis. The government's current reserve soldiers are built largely from Sunni Muslims.

For some reason people are still of the crap assumption that the majority of rebels came from Syria. They did not. They came from 80 different countries, paid for by the British, American, French, Gulf States etc. and trained by and in Israel, Jordan, Turkey.

[skinster]

[skinster]

[skinster]

[Hindsite]

There are only two groups that stand a chance of winning power over Syria in the long term and they are the government and the clerical reactionaries, left wingers (almost by definition) can not and do not support groups like ISIS, they stand opposed to everything we believe now and have ever believed. No one is buying it. We all know ISIS's arms and intel are both delivered by the Israelis and the Americans, two nations not exactly known for their left wing sentiments. The right stands with ISIS and the left with Assad.

I am not sure that you are serious about the right supporting ISIS. But as a conservative American, I consider myself on the right politically; but I certainly do not stand with ISIS or any other Islamic terrorists. I want them totally destroyed just like President Donald Trump has said.

[skinster]

I think he was talking about liberals but let's keep pretending they're not on the right.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

^ SAA pounding Al Qaeda positions in East Damascus. Finally.

[Decky]

I am not sure that you are serious about the right supporting ISIS. But as a conservative American, I consider myself on the right politically; but I certainly do not stand with ISIS or any other Islamic terrorists. I want them totally destroyed just like President Donald Trump has said.

Who armed and trained BinLaden? The Republican party. Who armed and trained the Mujahideen? The Republican party. Who created the Taliban? The Republican party. Face it man, your side are very pro Islamic extremism.



As a matter of fact I agree with Regan when he claimed that "these men are the moral equivalents of the American founding fathers." Right wing terrorist nutjobs all tend to be more or less the same in most respects.

[Oxymoron]

The left right spectrum is not an unchanging timeless absolute. It is very much relative to time and place. A single dimensional spectrum is obliviously a crude simplification, but it is a surprisingly effective model. Issues change and sometimes left and right can even reverse on an issue, we particularly see this with the Republican and Democratic parties. The Founding fathers were left wing and radical left wing for their time and place. Sorry if this upsets you.

I gave you an example of true leftist political movement in the levelers almost a century before the american revolution. The same revolution tried to install washington as king. So spare me your bull

[JohnRawls]

I gave you an example of true leftist political movement in the levelers almost a century before the american revolution. The same revolution tried to install washington as king. So spare me your bull

Communists/Leftists wanted to install Washington as king? Do you even think?

[Oxymoron]

Communists/Leftists wanted to install Washington as king? Do you even think?

Reading comprehension son.... the American revolution wanted to install Washington king. read dude