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By Rich
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Heisenberg wrote:Boris Johnson is a fucking idiot and cretin of the highest order, and it is a constant source of shame and embarrassment that he is the Foreign Secretary.

Boris Johnson is an extremely intelligent, bordering upon genius operator. He works tirelessly to advance his priorities. His priorities are:

1 Serving the Jews and the defence of Israel.

2 The cause of Muslims. Alliance with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Opening the EU door to unrestricted Turkish immigration.

3 Tax cuts for the rich and deregulation.

Our politicians are not stupid. They haven't contributed to a protracted civil war causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of homeless refugees by accident. They have done it to serve the Jews of Israel. Israel hates Assad, but fears a unitary Sunni Arab regime in Syria even more. We've seen this before when we ended up backing both sides in the Iran - Iraq war. What did it matter if hundreds of thousands lost their lives, millions had their lives ruined as long as the Jews of Israel were kept safe. With the Iran -Iraq war they don't even try to hide that they wanted it go on indefinitely. It was only the threat to the world's oil supplies and an economic crash that forced them to bring the war to and end.

"Sometimes our right hand doesn't know what our far right hand is doing." said Reagan. In other words, sometimes the regular Zionist doen't know what the ultra Zionist is up to. Ultra Zionists knew Iran had to be supported in his war against Saddam, as they know that Assad needs to be propped up when he looks about to be swept away. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russia intervention wasn't Israel's idea.
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By Seeker8
#14892365
Ok Rich, how does constantly making moronic comments advance his priorities?

BBC today wrote:Boris Johnson's comparison of the Irish border with the boundaries of London's traffic congestion charge zone has been widely ridiculed.

The foreign secretary was speaking about the challenges Brexit will pose to moving goods over the 310-mile border without imposing checkpoints.

He said there was "no border between Islington or Camden and Westminster", and yet traffic fees were collected.

Comical comparisons of Camden and the border have sprung up on social media
By skinster
#14892410
UN Feigns Outrage Over Ghouta While Terrorist Rockets Rain Down on Damascus - Eva Bartlett breaks down the dizzying array of information surrounding the mounting humanitarian crisis in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta. With accusations abound, parsing the reality on the ground is becoming more challenging by the day.

JohnRawls wrote:Why do you think he is attacking Ghoutta of all places? Because he run out of places to attack recently.


Could it be because it's full of unsavoury salafist groups, ringing Damascus and other areas under the Syrian government's control? :?:
By skinster
#14892411
Heisenberg wrote:I feel like I just read a passage from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. :|


Seeker8 wrote:Ok Rich, how does constantly making moronic comments advance his priorities?


I only got this far:

Rich wrote:Boris Johnson is an extremely intelligent.


Before turning into this ---> :lol: :lol: :lol:

And ignored the rest because, that's all the delusional deserve at this stage.
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By JohnRawls
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skinster wrote:UN Feigns Outrage Over Ghouta While Terrorist Rockets Rain Down on Damascus - Eva Bartlett breaks down the dizzying array of information surrounding the mounting humanitarian crisis in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta. With accusations abound, parsing the reality on the ground is becoming more challenging by the day.



Could it be because it's full of unsavoury salafist groups, ringing Damascus and other areas under the Syrian government's control? :?:


Well, that can be said for any area occupied by Salafists. You go for more strategic areas first instead of taking over places that serve no real purpose in a military sense. At best this enclave just blocks couple of roads which is easily solved by using a different road.

Anyways your favourite stuff skinsterina:

Not sure if it is full photoshop to troll but you know what i mean:

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By skinster
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Dude who sounds like he knows what he's talking about, talking on the Kurds.


JohnRawls wrote:Well, that can be said for any area occupied by Salafists. You go for more strategic areas first instead of taking over places that serve no real purpose in a military sense. At best this enclave just blocks couple of roads which is easily solved by using a different road.


I don't know what you're talking about. "Rebels" in East Ghouta, namely Saudi-backed Jaish al-Islam, Al Nusra and other Islamist groups, that parade civilians around in cages, have been lobbing mortars at civilians in Damascus for the last 6 years. They've agreed to the Russian-imposed 5-hour daily ceasefire for a humanitarian corridor, to allow civilians to leave the area, but at the same time, these lovely rebels have been shelling civilians trying to escape. They need those human shields, y'see.
By skinster
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Explainer: What is Happening in Syria?
Why is there a major media campaign on Syria in the past few days? Here is the story that corporate media will not tell you.

There has been a huge spurt in the number of social media posts on Syria during the past few days. People are sharing posts with photos and videos saying that the world is not taking note of the developments in Syria.

The context is the Syrian government's moves to take back East Ghouta from so-called "rebels". East Ghouta, a pocket lying just 15 km east of the Syrian capital Damascus, has been held by "rebels" (basically terrorists) affiliated to Al-Qaeda and similar groups for quite some time.

There has been a large number of shellings and attacks on Damascus from East Ghouta. At least 116 people, including 18 children and 14 women have been killed as a result of these attacks since 16 November, according to pro-“rebel” sources . Now the Syrian government has moved to take back East Ghouta, following which the media campaign that we are now seeing began.

The source of much of the material that is being shared in Facebook, WhatsApp and so on are Western media outlets, including The New York Times and The Guardian, and also major West Asian media outlets such as Al Jazeera, Al Jazeera's affiliate AJ+, and Al Arabiya. Why that is the case, I'll get to in a while.

There has been a war going on against Syria for long now, with the US military itself being directly involved for more than five years in an attempt to topple the Syrian government.

On the frontline of the war against Syria are so-called "rebels", led by some of the most vicious religious fundamentalists and terrorists in this planet. The "rebels" are backed by the US and its NATO allies, as well as by the Gulf monarchies led by Saudi Arabia.

Who are these “rebels”?
Leading the pack is Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Nusra front), which was renamed Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, and renamed again as Tahrir al-Sham after its merger with some other groups. The al-Nusra Front is the Syrian branch of Al-Qaeda. They are the most monstrous and murderous of all "rebel" groups.

Then there are, among others, Jaysh al-Islam, the proxy army of Saudi Arabia (it is financed by Wahhabists from Saudi and Kuwait), and Ahrar al-Sham, the proxy army of Turkey.

Another one is Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki, which beheaded a 12-year-old Palestinian child supposedly because they suspected him of spying, and then posted the video of the beheading online!

What do the “rebels”/terrorists want?
Does it need to be explained what the Al-Qaeda stands for? To say the least, they are fighting for a society where women would be treated as slaves, and where minorities would be second-class citizens (that is, if they are not killed off). This is based on their fundamentalist religious worldview of Wahhabism.

Why are Saudi and other Gulf monarchies supporting the terrorists?
The Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, except Iraq, are ruled by monarchies. They are led by Saudi Arabia, a medievalist kingdom which has been funding religious fundamentalist and terrorist activities across the world.

Syria is a problem for the Gulf monarchies, because unlike them, Syria is a secular state, and it is a republic. Arab nationalism, which Syria has championed, has always been considered a threat to the reactionary monarchies in the region. As Aijaz Ahmad points out, the historic battle in the Arab region since the late 1940s has been between reactionary monarchical regimes on the one hand, and secular, republican, anti-Zionist and anti-monarchical Arab nationalism on the other.

The Islamist regime of Turkey, another regional power, would also like the Syrian government gone.

Why is the US supporting terrorists?
Anybody who has observed what happened to Iraq and Libya would know at least part of the answer would be oil . Of particular importance is its strategic location as far as potential and planned oil/gas pipelines are concerned (Syria's own production of oil is relatively low).

More broadly, while Saudi Arabia and the other oil-rich Gulf monarchies have been staunch allies of the United States, Syria has maintained its independence.

Syria is the last remaining representative of the kind of Arab nationalism mentioned earlier. The US has, for long, propped up reactionary Islamist forces and regimes to fight Arab nationalist and socialist forces in the region which maintained an anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist stance. Syria, on the other hand, was closely aligned with the socialist block when it existed. In short, Syria's policies have not been sufficiently beneficial to US corporations. In the more recent years, it has been aligned with Iran, another country with a government that the US considers a “threat”.

Syria has also been historically a strong opponent of Israel, with which it shares a border, and which has been in occupation of a part of Syria, the Golan Heights. Syria shares a close bond with the Palestinian people, and has stood solidly in support of the Palestinian cause. It has warm ties with Hezbollah, which played the leading role in fighting and pushing Israel out of Southern Lebanon, which the Zionist regime had occupied for 18 years. Once the Syrian government falls, Israel would have no Arab regime in its neighbourhood as a major adversary.

Arab nationalist forces having faced defeat practically everywhere else, Syria is now the last one standing. The US wants it gone, and hence its attempts to bring about "regime change" in Syria.

For this purpose, they have been aiding the terrorists backed by the Islamist regimes in the region, with funds, arms and military support.

Many of the most hideous Islamist forces in the world have been backed by the US and its allies. The Mujahideen in Afghanistan which morphed into the Taliban, for instance, was backed by the US.

Even the Islamic State was a product of the destruction of Iraq by the US and its allies.

Why the media campaign now?
The West Asian region has been mired in wars for a long time now, and there has been a number of occasions in the recent years when battles were fought to wrest control of cities from the hands of terrorist groups.

More than 3,200 civilians were killed in the battle by a US-backed coalition to take back the Syrian city of Raqqa from the Islamic State. The US had even rejected a ceasefire that the UN requested to evacuate civilians.

About 11,000 civilians were killed during the battle by US-backed Iraqi forces to wrest control of the Iraqi city of Mosul from the Islamic State.

But did we see the kind of outcry and media campaign that we see today demanding that the US should halt the fighting? No.

Instead, such campaigns are reserved for occasions when a sovereign country which refuses to ally with US imperialism is on the verge of taking back a city in its territory from the hands of terrorists who enjoy the support of the US and its allies.

Thus we saw the #SaveAleppo campaign in December 2016, when the Syrian army liberated Aleppo, the largest city in Syria, from the terrorists. Now a similar campaign is being mounted as the Syrian government has moved to liberate East Ghouta.

The propaganda around "White Helmets" — who are actually US-UK agents who are embedded with terrorist groups — was a key part of the #SaveAleppo campaign. The same is being repeated now. (Another entity which is to be watched out for while reading Western and Islamist propaganda pieces is the 'Syrian Observatory for Human Rights', a pro-terrorist organisation run by ONE person, sitting in Coventry, UK.)

Also note that many of the pictures that are being circulated now do not pertain to the current developments in Syria. Some pictures are several years old, and some pictures are not even from Syria! People have been sharing the 2017 photo of a father and a daughter from the Iraqi city of Mosul, for instance.

Why are the Western media and Al Jazeera backing the War on Syria?
The corporate media in the West has always acted as an integral part of the imperialist war machinery. Media outlets such as The New York Times and The Washington Post had drummed up support for the War on Iraq by falsely claiming that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The Saudi-owned Al Arabiya, of course, is solidly in support of the war against Syria.

Al Jazeera is owned by the despotic ruling family of Qatar. Al Jazeera Arabic had played a major role in fanning the flames of jihadi Islamism with hours and hours of fiery preaching by Muslim Brotherhood preachers on the channel. Al Jazeera English is just the more "sophisticated" mask for Al Jazeera's politics.

Save Ghouta?
The groups which are controlling East Ghouta currently are three – Jaysh al-Islam, the al-Nusra Front, and the al-Nusra Front's allied group Faylaq al-Rahman.

Jaysh al-Islam, in 2015, had paraded about 500 civilians - including hundreds of women - who are believers of Alawite Shia religion in CAGES to protect themselves from bombing.

The "Save Ghouta" campaign, just like the #SaveAleppo campaign, is intended to prevent the liberation of Ghouta from the grip of terrorists such as these.

The Syrian armed forces, with the help of Russia, have liberated most of the country from the clutches of the likes of al-Qaeda and ISIS.

The purpose of the "Save Ghouta" propaganda is not to save the people of East Ghouta who are enduring untold hardship, but to gather international support to somehow salvage the failing efforts by US imperialism and its Islamist allies to capture Syria.

There must be international pressure on the US and its allies to withdraw their armed forces from Syria, and to withdraw their support to terrorist groups in the country. If the terrorist groups which have been occupying East Ghouta or any other part of Syria do not surrender, the Syrian government deserves international support to liberate those regions. There must be pressure on the government to do so with the least possible civilian casualties.

As The Morning Star newspaper pointed out as Aleppo was being liberated, "ultimately there will be no negotiated peace with the likes of ISIS and Al-Qaeda. They must be fought and beaten."
https://www.newsclick.in/explainer-what-happening-syria
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By roxunreal
#14893630
Lol east Ghouta got raped in two days. I wonder how long Douma and Irbin & co. will hold out. Unlike Aleppo when the rebels broke the siege, there wasn't a superbattle in Ghouta that wiped out most of the competent fighting force, and both Rahman Corps and Army of Islam are pretty zealous bastards with a lot of hate for Assad. I wonder if that hate will prevail over a possible green bus deal.
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By Balancer
#14893944
Heck. The biggest loss of Russia in Syria. At the airbase Khemeymim, at the approach to landing, An-26 transport aircraft crashed. 32 people died.
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By JohnRawls
#14893973
roxunreal wrote:Lol east Ghouta got raped in two days. I wonder how long Douma and Irbin & co. will hold out. Unlike Aleppo when the rebels broke the siege, there wasn't a superbattle in Ghouta that wiped out most of the competent fighting force, and both Rahman Corps and Army of Islam are pretty zealous bastards with a lot of hate for Assad. I wonder if that hate will prevail over a possible green bus deal.


Green buss deal is more preferable for Assad. Fighting to the death with a zaelous force is a bad idea. It is far easier to wipe out a reatreating force. That is why, the ancient old tactic of leaving a gap to retreat is used even in the present.
By Rich
#14894075
skinster wrote:I only got this far:



Before turning into this ---> :lol: :lol: :lol:

And ignored the rest because, that's all the delusional deserve at this stage.

Most of what politicians say is either stupid or simplistic, but most politicians are of above average intelligence and well above average education and knowledge. They often say stupid things, knowingly and deliberately and with rational calculation. Now a lot of politicians knowledge of foreign affairs and history is weak compared to say my own, and even my knowledge is shamed by @Potemkin, but that is not particularly important for most of their careers. Boris Johnson carefully crafts his image, even down to the unkempt hair. Johnson is relentless in his determination to appear unscripted. The secret to life is authenticity. When you can fake that you've got it made. Even if Boris never makes it to No 10, it will still have been a great achievement to have come so close.
By skinster
#14894086
Nobody gives a shit about you, Rich, beyond pointing out that you're posts are basically the rantings of a mad-man. Also, you are off-topic, but I guess this is your general schtick anyway.

Back on topic:


#14894140
^ Al Qaeda & their partners routed in East Ghouta. How the BBC and other Western outlets will talk about it:

Forces of the Syrian regime brutally destroy moderate rebels in East Ghouta with billions and billions of tons of chemical weapons, forcing civilians into the streets and shooting frightened people at random
By Rich
#14894509
Well it seems Eastern Ghouta has been split in two. Great news!
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