[Bosnjak]

How could the Kurds found their own state?

As long as ISIS exists, there is no Syria nor an Iraq, and it would be easy in 2-5 Years to declare independence.

Therefore we see now as soon as the Kurds took Manbiji, they now want to cleanse their territory of Assads forces in the North-East, to have unified territory.

they have just to stop the PKK attacks on Turkish soil, then is independence declaration from these failed states would be easy.

[Bosnjak]

The Kurds have the best opportunity for a own state for 1000 years.

They have just to declare independence.


What kind of pressure could the kurds face? Iraqi Syrian army? they have enough to do with the Rebels and IS.

Just getting recognition by other states, would be a problem, but no country is fully recognized, commonly is this a process which lasts +/-20 Years after Independence.

Even Turkey would have no problem with it, as long as they do not support PKK-attacks on Turkish soil

at 7.50 starts about kurdistan

[Zionist Nationalist]

Iraq and Syria will be wiped off the map and replaced by new smaller countries Kurdistan will be on both Northern Syria and Iraq and someday maybe will take parts of Turkey aswell

[Atlantis]

The Kurds will never get their own state. They are being used to fight IS in Iraq and Syria now, but in the end they'll be dropped by both the regional and international powers.

Turkey is just too important a player, not least because it controls the Bosporus.

[Bosnjak]

Iraq and Syria will be wiped off the map and replaced by new smaller countries Kurdistan will be on both Northern Syria and Iraq and someday maybe will take parts of Turkey aswell

Iraq and Syria will be wiped off the map and replaced by new smaller countries Kurdistan will be on both Northern Syria and Iraq and someday maybe will take parts of Turkey aswell

Demanding Territories from Iran and Turkey, does not mean Kurdistan it means Great-Kurdistan, and this is dangerous as Great-Germany, or Great-Serbia, or Great-Albania are. Unification of all territories with your Nationality mens Great-Land.

Turkish and Iranian Kurdistan are worthless mountains, whereas North-Syria, and North Iraq have a lot of oil.

https://southfront.org/wp-content/plugi ... 2F&pid=528

I think the kurds declared independence in Syria, they call it Northern Syrian Federation

With some neighbour they need a good relation either Turkey or Iran, Syria and Iraq are failed states.

[Bosnjak]

The Kurds will never get their own state. They are being used to fight IS in Iraq and Syria now, but in the end they'll be dropped by both the regional and international powers.

Turkey is just too important a player, not least because it controls the Bosporus.

It seems you are right, and the Kurds have also no experience with diplomacy, they could somehow get along with the Turks. I think at least a small chance exists.

The Kurds have also something to offer, the PKK uprising costs Billions of Money the Turkish state.

[Atlantis]

It seems you are right, and the Kurds have also no experience with diplomacy, they could somehow get along with the Turks. I think at least a small chance exists.

The Kurds have also something to offer, the PKK uprising costs Billions of Money the Turkish state.

It's not that they don't have experience in diplomacy. They are simply in a weak negotiating position. None of the regional powers (Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria) wants an independent Kurdish state. And the international powers only use the Kurds until they are no longer of use.

In an ideal world both sides would try to get along with each other and reap the peace dividend. However, we don't live in an ideal world, and each side is trying to profit at the expense of the other side.

In Syria, the YPG should try to ally with Assad/Russia/Iran. Their alliance with the Americans is going nowhere. They should try to negotiate maximum autonomy in a future Syria ruled by Assad. That would be beneficial to both sides. The Kurds would get autonomy and Assad would get his country back with the help of the Kurds.

In Turkey, the Kurds should stop the fighting and return to the peace process, using political means to defend their interests.

In Iraq, the Kurds should try to defend their autonomy without enlarging their territory in the fight against IS.

In Iran, the Kurds should just lie low and wait for better times.

[Istanbuller]

In Turkey, the Kurds should stop the fighting and return to the peace process, using political means to defend their interests.

I don't believe Kurds can solve their problem with using political means. Because the state does not listen to their demands and concerns. Turkey's attitude toward Kurdish demands is horrible.

In the civilized world, ethnicities have the right to self- determination. Scottish independence referendum, for example.

But there is no such state in Turkey. It is an uncivilized country. This attitude can justify aggressive actions of Kurdish rebels (or terrorists according to the state).

[Atlantis]

I don't believe Kurds can solve their problem with using political means. Because the state does not listen to their demands and concerns. Turkey's attitude toward Kurdish demands is horrible.

In the civilized world, ethnicities have the right to self- determination. Scottish independence referendum, for example.

But there is no such state in Turkey. It is an uncivilized country. This attitude can justify aggressive actions of Kurdish rebels (or terrorists according to the state).

Has something happened to you, Istanbuller? This doesn't sound like the Istanbuller we used to know.

Suddenly, you are tougher on Turkey than I would be. I think Erdogan is largely to blame for ending the peace process with the Kurds last years. And Erdogan is certainly not a model democrat by any standard, but it is not fair to judge a country like Turkey were military coups can still happen by Western standards.

Ironically, the West (the EU) pressing Turkey to modernize may have cause some of the problems. EU demands in the process of membership negotiations for reducing the role of the military in the Turkish state have allowed Erdogan to strengthen his position in the military. That might have indirectly triggered the coup. I think we have to stop trying to export Western values.

As for the Kurds, I don't believe they can win against Turkey by military means. Turkey as the guardian of the Bosporus is just too important as a geopolitical asset. The best hope for the Kurds in Turkey is a degree of autonomy in a Turkey forced to respect minorities by its association with the EU.

[Bosnjak]

Scottish independence referendum, for example.

Northern Ireland can not vote, nor Catalania or Bask in Spain.

"Borders are drawn iron and blood", Otto von Bismarck

Turkey as the guardian of the Bosporus is just too important as a geopolitical

90% of the Russian Population lives in the European part, in the Winter up the Northern See is full of Ice, so Russia has just over the Bosporus contact with the world, even more now since Urkaine is blocked.

[Bosnjak]

it seems Atlantis is right, the kurds will not get their state.

But what could they do to get a state? Any possible scenario???

[Zionist Nationalist]

it seems Atlantis is right, the kurds will not get their state.

But what could they do to get a state? Any possible scenario???

Make a referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan and than after a while declare Independence (same thing that Kosovo did)

It wont get recognized by many countries but it will be a de facto state

[Bosnjak]

Make a referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan and than after a while declare Independence (same thing that Kosovo did)

It wont get recognized by many countries but it will be a de facto state

They have somehow to find a settlement with Turkey or the Turks invade Erbil and Kirkuk.