- 10 Aug 2017 07:31
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Did I write that they are equal? No. Of course stabbing a random family to death in their home is vastly different to a bomb being dropped by a fighter jet. I don't call ether equal, but they are both unjustifiable and deplorable acts.
No problem, I was never walking down it either.
Yes I agree, resistance would be what we would do. But the question which remains, is the means of that resistance, be it ethical and moral resistance. Or just murder. You seem to be opting for murder.
I personally, would hope for another means.
The irony is, I have been attacked by pro-Zionists with almost the exact same arguments but from the Israeli point of view. Terrorists with knives, rockets, bombing bus shelters, they want to drive us into the sea, etc. Oh my dear what are the poor Israeli's to do?! How can they be moral and ethical in the face of such fanatical terrorists.
And I say the same to thing I say to the Pro-Palestinians who attack me with the same argument... Just because they are deplorable, act like criminals, flaunt laws, murder and bomb. Just because they are brutal, does not condone you doing the same. To be moral and ethical is not an easy path, it is down right hard and sometimes impossible. But that is no reason not to try to be.
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.
skinster wrote:It's weird interacting with someone who acts like the terrorism of one side, the side of the oppressed (a civilian population) is on par or possibly even worse than that which comes from the oppressive force, military state Israel, a state which has violated a record-breaking 77 UN resolutions.
Did I write that they are equal? No. Of course stabbing a random family to death in their home is vastly different to a bomb being dropped by a fighter jet. I don't call ether equal, but they are both unjustifiable and deplorable acts.
skinster wrote:I'm sorry but I'm not walking down that lane of delusion with you.
No problem, I was never walking down it either.
skinster wrote:Palestinian resistance, what little of it there is and however weak it is, is natural and justified and what any one of us would do, if foreigners came to our land and began building (literally) on top of us.
That is, we would resist.
Yes I agree, resistance would be what we would do. But the question which remains, is the means of that resistance, be it ethical and moral resistance. Or just murder. You seem to be opting for murder.
I personally, would hope for another means.
skinster wrote:Still, Palestinian resistance is weak af.
You want to talk about ethics? Israel, currently, has 93% of Palestinian territory, despite being offered 56% in the criminal Balfour Agreement (and later 78% by the Palestinians themselves). Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and builds Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land. Israel continues to imprison and torture Palestinians and their children, without trials. Israel goes on bombing campaigns on Gaza. Last night Israel tested it's new toys, F-35 fighter jets on Gaza. Israel has killed 1500 Palestinian children in the last decade. Palestinians live under military occupation where they have no rights and 2 million of them live in a concentration camp. They're killed pretty much every day. Israel is doing all of this with complete impunity, because it serves Western interests.
What exactly do you expect the Palestinians to do? Ask their colonizers nicely if they could please refrain from such actions?
They're enslaved. Of course they will resist. And it's not terrorism, it's responding to a terrorism known as colonialism, settler-colonialism.
This so-called conflict was never about sharing land but Israel taking all of Palestine. There are no "both sides" but the oppressor and the oppressed. There is no peace process. There never was. It was all a facade so Israel could take all of Palestine, and of course expand elsewhere (Syrian, Lebanon).
You can act like a defeatist and blah-blah about "both sides" but the people support Palestinian liberation.
Recent updates:
You are welcome to check out the BDS thread for updates on the movement's success. Things will change sooner or later, if history does that thing of repeating itself.
The irony is, I have been attacked by pro-Zionists with almost the exact same arguments but from the Israeli point of view. Terrorists with knives, rockets, bombing bus shelters, they want to drive us into the sea, etc. Oh my dear what are the poor Israeli's to do?! How can they be moral and ethical in the face of such fanatical terrorists.
And I say the same to thing I say to the Pro-Palestinians who attack me with the same argument... Just because they are deplorable, act like criminals, flaunt laws, murder and bomb. Just because they are brutal, does not condone you doing the same. To be moral and ethical is not an easy path, it is down right hard and sometimes impossible. But that is no reason not to try to be.
"Netanyahu is like a man who, while negotiating the division of a pizza, continues to eat it." - Avi Shlaim, British-Israeli historian.