A third Intifada against Israel and the USA is justified. - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

Political issues and parties in the nations of the Middle East.

Moderator: PoFo Middle-East Mods

Forum rules: No one line posts please. This is an international political discussion forum moderated in English, so please post in English only. Thank you.
#14945464
[center-img]http://i65.tinypic.com/2rniype.jpg[/center-img]


The USA is the Zionist stooge.
The cutting of US aid to the Palestinians, the moving of the US embassy to Jerusalem and now with the closing of Palestine Liberation Organisation mission in Washington means that all out asymmetrical warfare against USA and Israel is justified.

The US will close the Palestine Liberation Organisation's mission in Washington, the state department says.
A statement said PLO leaders had failed to engage with US efforts to bring about peace with Israel and attempted to prompt an investigation of Israel by the International Criminal Court (ICC).
A senior Palestinian official called the decision a "dangerous escalation".
The PLO, the internationally-recognised representative of the Palestinian people, opened the mission in 1994.
President Donald Trump is preparing to unveil a long-awaited Middle East peace plan, but Palestinian officials have refused to engage with his envoys since he controversially recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital in December.
Why is the Palestinian mission being closed?
"The PLO has not taken steps to advance the start of direct and meaningful negotiations with Israel," the state department said on Monday.
"To the contrary, the PLO leadership has condemned a US peace plan they have not yet seen and refused to engage with the US government with respect to peace efforts and otherwise."
The statement also cited Palestinian efforts to get the ICC to prosecute Israelis for alleged violations of international laws and norms regarding the treatment of people and property in the occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Last year the US state department warned the mission that under US law it faced closure if Palestinian leaders continued to do so.
But in May, the Palestinian foreign minister formally asked the ICC's chief prosecutor to launch a full investigation, saying he had "ample and insurmountable evidence".
Israel - which like the US has never ratified the court's founding treaty, the Rome Statute - dismissed the move as a "cynical step without legal validity".
How have the Palestinians responded?
In a statement issued as the US move appeared imminent, PLO Secretary-General Saeb Erekat said: "This dangerous escalation shows that the US is willing to disband the international system in order to protect Israeli crimes and attacks against the land and people of Palestine as well as against peace and security in the rest of our region."
"We reiterate that the rights of the Palestinian people are not for sale, that we will not succumb to US threats and bullying and that we will continue our legitimate struggle for freedom, justice, and independence, including by all political and legal means possible."
Mr Erekat insisted Palestinians would continue to call upon the ICC to open a full investigation.
There was no immediate response from the Israeli government.
What other steps has the US taken?
On Saturday, a state department official said that following a review President Trump had ordered that $25m (£19m) allocated for the care of Palestinians at six hospitals in East Jerusalem "go to high-priority projects elsewhere".
The head of the East Jerusalem Hospital Network warned on Monday that the decision to cut funding put "the health of five million Palestinians at risk".
The hospitals offer health services to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza which the Palestinian health ministry is unable to provide, such as cancer care, cardiac and eye surgery, neonatal intensive care and children's dialysis.
Two weeks ago, the US said it was ending hundreds of millions of dollars of funding for the UN agency that provides assistance to five million Palestinian refugees across the Middle East.
Officials said UN Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) was an "irredeemably flawed operation" whose "endlessly and exponentially expanding community of entitled beneficiaries is simply unsustainable".
Unrwa rejected the claims, saying it provided vital services and that it was the duty of all parties to reach a peace deal that solved the issue of refugees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45471420
#14945490
The US is wilfully attempting to destroy any prospects of future peace. It is at the beck and call of the Zionists.

The United States is ending all funding for the UN's Palestinian refugee agency, the US State Department says.
It described the organisation, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), as "irredeemably flawed".
The US administration has "carefully reviewed" the issue and "will not make additional contributions to Unrwa," spokeswoman Heather Nauert said.
A spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas later said the move was an "assault" against his people.
"Such a punishment will not succeed to change the fact that the United States no longer has a role in the region and that it is not a part of the solution," Nabil Abu Rudeina told Reuters news agency.
He added that the decision was "a defiance of UN resolutions".
■ Palestinians fear cost of Trump's aid cut
■ UN alarm as US cuts aid to Palestinians
A spokesman for Unrwa, Chris Gunness, defended the agency in a series of tweets.
"We reject in the strongest possible terms the criticism that Unrwa's schools, health centres, and emergency assistance programs are 'irredeemably flawed'," he wrote.
The latest move comes after the US announced back in January that it would withhold more than half of a tranche of funding for the agency.
What is Unrwa?
Unrwa was originally set up to take care of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians displaced by the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.
The agency says it currently supports more than five million Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, including providing health care, education and social services.
The US has been the largest single donor to Unrwa, providing $364m (£283m) in 2017 and funding almost 30% of its operations in the region.
The Trump administration had pledged $60m to Unrwa in January, but withheld another $65m.
The remaining payment of $65m is now expected to be cancelled.
Why is the US critical of Unrwa?
The US disagrees with Unrwa, and Palestinian officials, on a number of issues.
US President Donald Trump has previously complained that the US received "no appreciation or respect" for the large sums of aid it provided to the region.
Earlier this year, he threatened to cut aid to the Palestinians over what he called their unwillingness to negotiate with Israel.
The US and Israel also disagree with Unrwa on which Palestinians are refugees with a right to return to the homes they fled following the 1948 war.
Nikki Haley, the US ambassador to the UN, said earlier this week that Unrwa exaggerated the number of Palestinian refugees, and needed to reform.
"You're looking at the fact that, yes, there's an endless number of refugees that continue to get assistance, but more importantly, the Palestinians continue to bash America," she said.
The state department says the US is contributing a "very disproportionate share of the burden of Unrwa's costs".
It complains of a business model and fiscal practices, linked to an "exponentially expanding community of entitled beneficiaries", which is "unsustainable and has been in crisis mode for many years".
What does the Palestinian side say?
On Friday, the Palestinian representative in Washington, Hossam Zomlot, accused the US of "endorsing the most extreme Israeli narrative on all issues including the rights of more than five million Palestinian refugees".
The US "is damaging not only an already volatile situation but the prospects for future peace", he told AFP.
Palestinian officials have already accused the Trump administration of worsening tensions due to its pro-Israel stance.
In December, Mr Trump controversially recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital, despite it being claimed by both sides.
His move overturned decades of US neutrality on the issue, attracted international criticism, and led to the Palestinian Authority cutting off dialogue in Washington.
■ Why Trump and Jerusalem was not about peace
■ Palestinian territories profile
In May, the US also opened an embassy in Jerusalem, a move described by Palestinian officials as a "blatant provocation".
What's the Israeli view?
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has previously called for Unrwa's funding to be cut gradually and its responsibilities transferred to the UN's global refugee agency, the UNHCR, arguing that it "perpetuates the Palestinian problem".
However, he said that "every step taken also contains some risk".
Some Israelis have raised concerns that weakening Unrwa could cause regional instability and create more extremism in the region.
How has the international community reacted?
Earlier on Friday, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said his country would increase its contributions to the agency because its funding crisis was fuelling uncertainty.
"The loss of this organisation could unleash an uncontrollable chain reaction," Mr Maas said.
Meanwhile, the UN's secretary general, Antonio Guterres, has said he has "full confidence" in Unrwa, and called on other countries "to help fill the remaining financial gap".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45377336
#14945533
anarchist23 wrote:The cutting of US aid to the Palestinians, the moving of the US embassy to Jerusalem and now with the closing of Palestine Liberation Organisation mission in Washington means that all out asymmetrical warfare against USA and Israel is justified.


You realise that "asymmetrical warfare" is a synonym for terrorism ? And you are promoting it ?
I suggest you keep a toothbrush and a set of pyjamas ready in case they come to pick you up.

In other news, the US has declared the ICC an illegal supra-national organisation and threatened to go after it in case they want to investigate the US or any of its allies.

Besides, can anyone give a reason why the USA should continue to pay for millions of children of children of refugees for life whilst they burn American flags, throw rocks and molotov cocktails at the Israeli border, fly burning kites in to Israel, kill homosexuals and keep their women in quasi-bondage ?

Trump’s New Attempt to Push Palestinians to Negotiate With Israel

The administration has closed the PLO office in Washington, citing a lack of progress in the peace process.

The Trump administration announced Monday the closure of the Palestine Liberation Organization office, which serves as the de facto Palestinian Embassy, in Washington. It was the latest in a series of punitive measures the administration says is designed to force the Palestinians to return to negotiations with Israel. And the announcement from the U.S. State Department came the same day that John Bolton, the national-security adviser, railed against the International Criminal Court for going after Israel and the United States, declaring the international judicial body “dead to us.”

What it added up to was another effort to turn up the pressure on Palestinians, who a Palestinian diplomat said are “immune” to it, in the context of the administration’s broader skepticism of international institutions and their role in the world.

“We have permitted the PLO office to conduct operations that support the objective of achieving a lasting, comprehensive peace between Israelis and the Palestinians since the expiration of a previous waiver in November 2017,” Heather Nauert, the U.S. State Department spokeswoman, said in a statement. “However, the PLO has not taken steps to advance the start of direct and meaningful negotiations with Israel.”

Nauert cited, among other factors, the Palestinian criticism of the long-expected but still unpublished U.S. plan for peace in the region, a proposal that is being drafted by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law who serves as a White House senior adviser, and Jason Greenblatt, the president’s special envoy to the peace process. “This decision is also consistent with administration and congressional concerns with Palestinian attempts to prompt an investigation of Israel by the International Criminal Court,” she added.

Husam Zomlot, the head of the PLO office in Washington, called the administration’s action “reckless.”

What the office’s closure essentially means is that there will be no Palestinian representation in Washington. But as Zomlot has been out of the U.S. capital since December, not much will change in reality, Ghaith al-Omari, an expert on Palestinians at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told me. He said the problem with the Trump administration’s logic in closing the PLO office is twofold: “One, there is no negotiation to go back to. Two, this is the kind of pressure that frankly doesn’t impact the calculation of the Palestinian Authority. This is a symbolic move that will not create the kind of pressure that they want. Instead, it will harden the Palestinian position.”

Indeed, Zomlot said attempts to pressure the Palestinians won’t work because “national decision-making processes and our people are immune to acts of … bullying.” He said the U.S. announcement only undermined the United States’ role as a peacemaker.

“This did not come as a surprise to us,” Zomlot said. “Putting all the dots together, and crossing all the t’s and following the trajectory of what has been happening over the last nine months, it is obvious that the team of Mr. Trump is on a mission, and the mission is primarily to simply give Israel exactly what it wants.”

Over that period, the Trump administration has cut funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, depriving the UN agency of critical funds from its largest international donor; moved the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, in line with U.S. law passed in 1995 (Israel regards Jerusalem as its eternal, undivided capital, and the Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state); and cut about $200 million in aid for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

In remarks Monday to the Federalist Society, Bolton related the move to close the PLO office to a potentially further-reaching policy of refusing to cooperate with the ICC, which he said was biased against Israel. He called the institution as a whole “ineffective, unaccountable, and, indeed, outright dangerous.”

“While the court welcomes the membership of the so-called State of Palestine, it has threatened Israel—a liberal, democratic nation—with investigation into its actions to defend citizens from terrorist attacks in the West Bank and Gaza,” Bolton said. “There has also been a suggestion that the ICC will investigate Israeli construction of housing projects on the West Bank.”

The court says it has jurisdiction even in those countries that are not party to it. Israel, like the U.S., is not a member of the court, though the Palestinian Authority is, and has attempted to get the court to investigate alleged Israeli war crimes in the occupied Palestinian territories.

“If the court comes after us, Israel, or other U.S. allies, we will not sit quietly,” Bolton said, adding: “We will ban its judges and prosecutors from entering the United States. We will sanction their funds in the U.S. financial system, and we will prosecute them in the U.S. criminal system. We will do the same for any company or state that assists an ICC investigation of Americans.”

Should that occur, it’s likely to disproportionately affect European nations that support the ICC and what Bolton called the “global-governance dogma.” He said countries that cooperate with ICC investigations of the United States and its allies will face consequences when the U.S. sets foreign-assistance, military-assistance, and intelligence-sharing levels.

“We will consider taking steps in the UN Security Council to constrain the court’s sweeping powers, including ensuring that the ICC does not exercise jurisdiction over Americans and the nationals of our allies that have not ratified the Rome Statute,” he said.

The ICC’s history—and Bolton’s animosity toward it—dates back to 2002. President George W. Bush withdrew the U.S. from the international treaty that set up the court because of a belief that, as Bolton put it Monday, the court will unfairly target Americans, including service members, in an “assault on the constitutional rights of the American people and the sovereignty of the United States.” (U.S. courts address such violations when they have been found to occur.)

Although the the ICC has long irritated the U.S., its recent actions feed into Bolton’s view of it as an unchecked supranational entity: Last November, the ICC prosecutor sought authorization to investigate alleged war crimes committed by U.S. military and intelligence personnel in Afghanistan. But the Trump administration’s policy could have dramatic consequences for the court as it considers whether to investigate the violence against the Rohingya in Burma or any future consideration of the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons in Syria. Bolton, in his remarks, made clear that he had a “clear and unambiguous message” for the court.

“The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court,” he said. “We will not cooperate with the ICC. We will provide no assistance to the ICC. We will not join the ICC. We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us.”

Zomlot, the Palestinian official, told me that the Trump administration’s announcement is a confirmation that the Palestinian strategy is working, “and therefore we will double our efforts and we will encourage the International Criminal Court to actually put Israel under international scrutiny and accountability.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... mp/569767/
#14945642
Ter wrote:You realise that "asymmetrical warfare" is a synonym for terrorism ? And you are promoting it ?

What about the French resistance in WWII? What about the Warsaw ghetto uprising? What about Zionist attacks on the British mandate administration? What patriotic Briton could watch 9/11 without thinking, I bet some of those bastards had given money to the IRA.
#14945646
What do Arab countries do for the Palestinians?


This for starters...
More than 2 million registered Palestine refugees live in Jordan. Most Palestine refugees in Jordan, but not all, have full citizenship. There are ten recognized Palestine refugee camps throughout the country, which accommodate nearly 370,000 Palestine refugees, or 18 per cent of the country total.
Jordan - UNRWA

https://www.unrwa.org › where-we-work


Estimates of the size of the Palestinian population in Lebanon ranged from 260,000 to 400,000 in 2011. Human Rights Watch estimated 300,000 as of 2011. UNRWA's count was 450,000 as of 2014 and has not updated this figure since. In 2017, census by the Lebanese government counted 174,000 Palestinians in Lebanon.
Palestinians in Lebanon - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Palestini...
#14945654
It's obviously not Jordan and Lebanon that should jump in for the US and its $25m, one fucking Saudi prince or Egyptian billionaire could do that. Also, @anarchist23, if Palestinians rely on Western aid so heavily, then there's no much to talk about here because the West will never give them enough to be able to resist Israel effectively.
#14945659
What the US give to the Palestinians is peanuts compared to what the US gives to that scab of a nation, Israel.
US aid works out at less than £60 per Palestinian in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Syria and Jordon per year.


“Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives over $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America's entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.

https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/usaid.html

The United States has finalized a $38 billion package of military aid for Israel over the next 10 years, the largest of its kind ever, and the two allies plan to sign the agreement on Wednesday, American and Israeli officials said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military-aid.html
#14945663
Zionist Nationalist wrote:There shouldnt be any US economical assistance to the fakestinians
the only thing they export is terrorism
they have no positive contribution to humanity so fuck them

You've been brainwashed.
It's the Israelis that are the terrorists. lol
#14945671
Beren wrote:As far as I know the US is an ally of Israel, not the Palestinians. If the Palestinians need US aid so much because their own allies, or even brothers, don't care about them enough, it's time for them to throw in the towel perhaps.


Have faith. I'm sure that the Palestinians will be OK. They have survived this long. lol

The head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees said Tuesday that Russia, Kuwait and nine European countries have agreed to speed up their contributions to help fill a shortfall left by the Trump administration’s decision to reduce crucial US funding.
Commissioner General Pierre Krähenbühl of the UN Relief and Works Agency also said it has received no specifics about reforms sought by the United States, suggesting politics — notably surrounding the US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital — were at play.
UNRWA, which serves some 5 million Palestinian refugees and their descendants, had a budget of over $1 billion last year. This covered long-running programs, including education, as well as emergency funds for crises such as the war in Syria.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/11-countr ... r-us-cuts/

Wishing Georgia and Georgians success as they seek[…]

Great german commentary: https://www.nachdenkseit[…]

Hmm. I took it a second time and changes three ans[…]

Russia-Ukraine War 2022

is it you , Moscow Marjorie ? https://exte[…]