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skinster wrote:If there were pictures, they'd be all over the news already. The Zionists are looking for all the sympathy they can get, after all.
Meanwhile, in reality:
Also,
wat0n wrote:Or is it something like "oh, maybe no babies were decapitated so it's alright"?
wat0n wrote:Oh so we've gone from praising Hamas' attack to denying it ever happened?
Or is it something like "oh, maybe no babies were decapitated so it's alright"?
The Western far left has no idea of what it unleashed by standing by Hamas.
skinster wrote:Why do you type blatantly disingenuous stuff? An example of your bullshit once more, which I'm just going to do every time you do this, to show what type of poster you:
I didn't deny the attack happened, if by the "Hamas' attack" you mean the various Palestinian resistance forces who fought back against their oppressors this weekend.
I was clearly referring to the made-up bs "Hamas beheaded babies" lie because I used those words in the post you were responding to...and yes, they are lies and it is proven here. A few Western media channels have retracted their claims, but it is too late for the front page newspapers that spread this lie. Same with the "rape" claims the liars wat0n and JohnRawls made up.
This isn't new. Zionists have always made up atrocity propaganda to justify carpet-bombing a prison camp that holds a million children.
skinster wrote:
In the language of my people, we refer to Palestinians as Palestinians, not 'Hamas'. We do not use the language of Zionists who call all Palestinian resistance orgs 'Hamas' in an attempt to dehumanise the millions of people living under the boot of a racist settler colony, especially considering there are Marxists (PFLP, MDF) amongst the resistance orgs.
Also, we don't care what Zionists think of us.
wat0n wrote:Hamas itself denied it had attacked civilians at all today, being a Hamas supporter I would think you'd toe to their line.
And the claim children were found beheaded has been confirmed by journalists from several outlets.
Nah, the Western far left has lost the plot according to everyone outside the cult. There is a palpable disillusionment among those who believed in your rhetoric (i.e. the center left and a part of the far left)
And of course there's pushback, those Ivy League students belonging to organizations that initially supported the attack are backtracking, and doing it fast.
skinster wrote:Are you mental? Why are you posting what I've already posted? About made-up bullshit about beheadings, that apparently Hamas have even stated are bullshit, according to your source. Are you drunk?
Gaza, Oct 11 (EFE).- Hamas refuted Israel’s claims on Wednesday that the Islamist group had killed children and beheaded civilians during its multi-pronged assault, which ignited a violent conflict with the Israeli military, resulting in thousands of casualties.
In a statement, the group “firmly” rejected the accusations as an Israeli propaganda allegedly “fabricated and disseminated by certain Western media outlets that uphold the Zionist narrative.” The statement defended their audacious attack on Israel by stating that they had only attacked the Israeli military and security apparatus, which they deemed a legitimate target.
skinster wrote:No, they haven't, you liar. The opposite has happened, where the IDF and some media retracted the claims, including the first source that claimed them.
Your fake news came from an extremist Zionist settler.
skinster wrote:No idea what you're talking about here. You sound drunk. Drunk on Zionism. My new term for drunk on lies, since Zionism is an ideology based on lies. Or as the IDF motto goes, by deception make war.
wat0n wrote:Even Hamas is realizing it will pay dearly for the massacre it's done. Hopefully it will be completely rooted out from Gaza.
Rich wrote:How and who's going to replace them?
Look I think that Islam is total nonsense, but still I suspect Hamas were smart enough to expect a hard response from Netanyahu.
In Iraq we tried crippling sanctions with occasional air strikes. It was reported that 800 thousand people including half a million children had been killed by sanctions. The sanctions certainly seemed to be working in terms of punishing the Iraqi people, but strangely the compliant Israel loving Iraqi government never manifested.
It never came about even after the US took over Iraq in 2003. The neocons were the most deluded screwballs ever to make policy.wat0n wrote:Even Hamas is realizing it will pay dearly for the massacre it's done. Hopefully it will be completely rooted out from Gaza.
this has got to be the most dumbest thing I've read today. If you think the resistance orgs weren't aware of the response they were bound to get by the Zionist entity, which has done much worse just a few years ago, then you're not paying attention. What you and some other foolish people miss is that they have no life living in a prison camp so they have nothing to lose fighting for a potentially better one. And if they go out fighting, better to be killed then to be killed slowly, which is their only other option. They say this over and over again but Zionists act surprised when their victims resist the conditions created for them.Uh no, the IDF's spokesperson said he couldn't confirm the allegations shortly after they were broadcasted live. Now the Israeli government is indeed saying babies were decapitated.
That I24 journalist wasn't the only one who heard about beheadings.
We're in a thread you started dedicated to the delusion that terrorism will help Palestinians in any way and you've also praised last Saturday's massacre, are you sure you aren't the drunk one in here?
wat0n wrote:Israel's MFA uploaded one photo of people who were burnt inside a car, a photo of a baby with a slit throat and also of burnt remains of infants.
Most of us are already aware it's a propaganda/hasbara site.Chris Hedges wrote:Palestinians Speak the Language of Violence Israel Taught Them
The indiscriminate shootings of Israelis by Hamas and other Palestinian resistance organizations, the kidnapping of civilians, the barrage of rockets into Israel, drone attacks on a variety of targets from tanks to automated machine gun nests, are the familiar language of the Israeli occupier. Israel has spoken this blood-soaked language of violence to the Palestinians since Zionist militias seized more than 78 percent of historic Palestine, destroyed some 530 Palestinian villages and cities and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. Some 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed between 1947 and 1949 to create the state of Israel in 1948.
Israel’s response to these armed incursions will be a genocidal assault on Gaza. Israel will kill dozens of Palestinians for every Israeli killed. Hundreds of Palestinians have already died in Israel air assaults since the launch of “Operation Al-Aqsa Flood” on Saturday morning, which left 700 Israelis dead.
Prime Minister Netanyahu warned Palestinians in Gaza on Sunday to “leave now,” because Israel is going to “turn all Hamas hiding places into rubble.”
But where are Palestinians in Gaza supposed to go? Israel and Egypt blockade the land borders. There is no exit by air or sea, which are controlled by Israel.
The collective retribution against innocents is a familiar tactic employed by colonial rulers. We used it against Native Americans and later in the Philippines and Vietnam. The Germans used it against the Herero and Namaqua in Namibia. The British in Kenya and Malaya. The Nazis used it in the areas they occupied in the Soviet Union, Eastern and Central Europe. Israel follows the same playbook. Death for death. Atrocity for atrocity. But it is always the occupier who initiates this macabre dance and trades piles of corpses for higher piles of corpses.
This is not to defend the war crimes by either side. It is not to rejoice in the attacks. I have seen enough violence in the Israeli occupied territories, where I covered the conflict for seven years, to loathe violence. But this is the familiar denouement to all settler-colonial projects. Regimes implanted and maintained by violence engender violence. The Haitian war of liberation. The Mau Mau in Kenya. The African National Congress in South Africa. These uprisings do not always succeed, but they follow familiar patterns. The Palestinians, like all colonized people, have a right to armed resistance under international law.
Israel never had any interest in an equitable settlement with the Palestinians. It built an apartheid state and has steadily absorbed larger and larger tracts of Palestinian land in a slow motion campaign of ethnic cleansing. It turned Gaza in 2007 into the world’s largest open air prison.
What does Israel, or the world community, expect? How can you trap 2.3 million people in Gaza, half of whom are unemployed, in one of the most densely populated spots on the planet for 16 years, reduce the lives of its residents, half of whom are children, to a subsistence level, deprive them of basic medical supplies, food, water and electricity, use attack aircraft, artillery, mechanized units, missiles, naval guns and infantry units to randomly slaughter unarmed civilians and not expect a violent response? Israel is currently carrying out waves of aerial assaults on Gaza, preparing a ground invasion and has cut the power to Gaza, which usually only operates two to four hours per day.
Many of the resistance fighters who infiltrated into Israel undoubtedly knew they would be killed. But like resistance fighters in other wars of liberation they decided that if they could not choose how they would live, they would choose how they would die.
I was a close friend of Alina Margolis-Edelman who was part of the armed resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in World War II. Her husband, Marek Edelman, was the deputy commander of the uprising and the only leader to survive the war. The Nazis had sealed 400,000 Polish Jews inside the Warsaw Ghetto. The trapped Jews died in the thousands, from starvation, disease and indiscriminate violence. When the Nazis began to transport the remaining Jews to the extermination camps the resistance fighters fought back. None expected to survive.
Edelman, after the war, condemned Zionism as a racist ideology used to justify the theft of Palestinian land. He sided with the Palestinians, supported their armed resistance and met frequently with Palestinians leaders. He thundered against Israel’s appropriation of the Holocaust to justify its repression of the Palestinian people. While Israel dined out on the mythology of the ghetto uprising, it treated the only surviving leader of the uprising, who refused to leave Poland, as a pariah. Edelman understood that the lesson of the Holocaust and the ghetto uprising was not that Jews are morally superior or eternal victims. History, Edelman said, belongs to everyone. The oppressed, including the Palestinians, had a right to fight for equality, dignity and liberty.
“To be a Jew means always being with the oppressed and never the oppressors,” Edelman said.
The Warsaw uprising has long inspired the Palestinians. Representatives of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) used to lay a wreath at the annual commemoration of the uprising in Poland at the Warsaw Ghetto monument.
The more violence the colonizer expends to subdue the occupied, the more it transforms itself into a monster. The current government of Israel is populated by Jewish extremists, fanatic Zionists and religious bigots who are dismantling Israeli democracy and calling for the wholesale expulsion or murder of Palestinians, including those who live inside Israel.
The Israeli philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz, whom Isiah Berlin called “the conscience of Israel,” warned that if Israel did not separate church and state it would give rise to a corrupt rabbinate that would warp Judaism into a fascistic cult.
“Religious nationalism is to religion what National Socialism was to socialism,” said Leibowitz, who died in 1994.
He understood that the blind veneration of the military, especially after the 1967 war that captured Egypt's Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Syria's Golan Heights, was dangerous and would lead to the ultimate destruction of Israel, along with any hope of democracy.
“Our situation will deteriorate to that of a second Vietnam, to a war in constant escalation without prospect of ultimate resolution,” he warned.
He foresaw that “the Arabs would be the working people and the Jews the administrators, inspectors, officials, and police — mainly secret police. A state ruling a hostile population of 1.5 million to 2 million foreigners would necessarily become a secret-police state, with all that this implies for education, free speech and democratic institutions. The corruption characteristic of every colonial regime would also prevail in the State of Israel. The administration would have to suppress Arab insurgency on the one hand and acquire Arab Quislings on the other. There is also good reason to fear that the Israel Defense Force, which has been until now a people’s army, would, as a result of being transformed into an army of occupation, degenerate, and its commanders, who will have become military governors, resemble their colleagues in other nations.”
He saw that prolonged occupation of the Palestinians would inevitably spawn “concentration camps.”
“Israel,” he said, “would not deserve to exist, and it will not be worthwhile to preserve it.”
The next stage of this struggle will be a massive campaign of industrial slaughter in Gaza by Israel, which has already begun. Israel is convinced greater levels of violence will finally crush Palestinian aspirations. Israel is mistaken. The terror Israel inflicts is the terror it will get.
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