Egyptian government built new cities to deal with overcrowding in Cairo, but was it a good idea? - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

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I was watching a documentary about Egypt. There is a problem of overcrowding in Cairo, so the government spent a large amount of money building a city with infrastructure out in the desert. The government built many apartment buildings. But today these apartment buildings are only 20 percent occupied. It's not a bad city, but people say there are not enough jobs in this city.

This was despite the fact that some wealthier people established a small area within the city, with small mansions surrounded by tall fences.

So simply moving people to an area will not necessarily create jobs. Even when government builds cities and buildings.

This proves that people do not simply create jobs. Things do not actually work that way.


Here's an excerpt from a report that gives more detail on the situation:

There is a clear mismatch at the regional or governorate level between government housing supply and housing need. ... new housing schemes may be located in awkward, remote, or otherwise undesirable locations. As can be seen in Table A-4, significantly higher than average concentrations of government housing (as expressed in units built per 1996 resident household) are found in the frontier governorates and in Port Said, Ismailia, Suez, and Damietta.

For those governorates which have publicly-owned hinterlands, major land tracts allocated for subsidized housing are located mainly in desert sites which are usually far from existing densely populated agglomerations. Decades of urban expansion through supply-side State land policies have already used up or locked out those near-fringe desert lands which would be best suited for public housing, and there is an ever increasing centripetal search for new sites, usually accompanied by stiff competition among different State entities.8 As pointed out elsewhere,9 within and around Egypt’s urban agglomerations residential location is of crucial importance, especially for the poorer segments of urban populations to which subsidized housing programs are theoretically targeted. Distance creates a serious direct (and rising) transport cost to all members of a family, and there are a host of indirect costs (especially loss of time, hassles, lack of social networks, lack of informal business opportunities etc.) associated with living in remote housing estates. It is no wonder that vacancies in these projects exceed 50 percent of all units recently built. There is already a serious transport crisis faced by the vast majority of residents in new towns and those in far-flung housing projects in the governorates who do not own cars.10 In these estates, government public transport is practically non-existent and the private micro-bus system cannot provide convenient service due to a lack of the necessary critical mass of customers. And heavily subsidized fuel prices, which until 2006 have kept micro-bus fares affordable (at least for shorter distances) cannot be expected to continue forever. There are various schemes to improve public transportation to the new towns (rapid light rail is being proposed to link both 10th of Ramadan and Sixth of October with Cairo proper),11 but either fares will be completely unaffordable or the State will have to structure massive subsidies to make these new modes attractive. Experience has shown that government housing estates which are remote and badly located (in terms of access from major towns and transport corridors and in terms of proximity to popular and dense urban areas) tend to remain largely vacant and depressed for years, regardless of the success in distributing units.​

US Aid - Review of Egyptian Subsidized Housing Programs and Lessons Learned, 2007
publication was produced for review by the United States Agency for
International Development, prepared by David Sims


transcript from video:

But are the government "New Towns" the solution, or an even bigger problem?

"With unemployment skyrocketing and unrest everywhere, these poor neighborhoods are the first to be radicalized. Even in the best of times foreigners are not welcome here. In an effort to solve the city's growing population the government has zoned eight new towns outside of Cairo, smack in the middle of the desert. Here the roads are wide, and smooth. There's no traffic, and plenty of parking. There's even a tree or two. The government already put in all the infrastructure: sewage, electricity, and water. At incredible expense. And then built tens of thousands of apartments. Most of which have been standing empty for so long, they're falling apart. Some of Cairo's new towns have only 20 percent occupancy. It's because there are so few jobs out here. And no public transportation. But a few areas have become wealthy enclaves. Luxurious gated communities, hidden behind walls of manicured greenery. With swimming pools, water-intensive lawns, and lots and lots of flowers. People to trim your hedges, collect your garbage, and country club membership. And most importantly, malls. Filled with American franchises."​

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"Cairo: Chaotic Construction, Close-knit Communities", Our Human Planet

Cairo is one of the densest cities in the world. Wander through its crowded streets and it looks like there's no room to shoehorn in even one more apartment. But are the government "New Towns" the solution, or an even bigger problem?

Our Human Planet
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starman2003 wrote:What Egypt really needed was population control. It should've started decades ago.

That's not how the Liberal elite see it. The Liberals are desperately concerned about Lebensraum. As the Liberals see it we in Europe and particularly in Britain have far too much of it. We desperately need places like Egypt to keep pumping out more people so they can fill our underpopulated countries. The way the Liberals see it we've got far too much parks, farmland and wilderness areas, that should be turned into housing estates. Plus people are living in far too big properties and need to downsize. Far too many people have gardens, only the Liberal elite should have gardens. Our trains, roads and hospitals are underused we desperately need a flood of new people.

In Britain we are currently ruled by the woke party (aka Conservatives), although everyone expects them to be replaced by the extremely woke party (aka Labour) at the coming election. The extremely Woke party are even expected to take seats from the insanely woke party in Scotland. The current government have changed the immigration rules to massively increase legal immigration.
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Rich wrote:That's not how the Liberal elite see it. The Liberals are desperately concerned about Lebensraum. As the Liberals see it we in Europe and particularly in Britain have far too much of it. We desperately need places like Egypt to keep pumping out more people so they can fill our underpopulated countries.


I've heard of low birth rates in Europe and immigrants making up more of the population. If arab states were the source of much of that you'd think by now western Europe wouldn't have become a poodle for zionists like the US.
Emigration hasn't stopped Egypt's overpopulation mess. Decades ago, Cairo should've resorted to draconian measures (albeit not publicized) to halt and reverse it.
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starman2003 wrote:What Egypt really needed was population control. It should've started decades ago.



We have one problem on this planet and this is overpopulation... especially from illiterates... South-Korea has the lowest birthrate on earth...


You were right democracy is not able to conduct unpopular measures so the well educated nations are going to disappear...

The only way is one child policy for the global South even some Cities on India copy the Chinese model
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Skynet wrote:You were right democracy is not able to conduct unpopular measures so the well educated nations are going to disappear...


I never assumed democracy will persist no matter how severe the consequences of its impotence. For decades, I've thought it'll ultimately break so civilization can survive and rebound.
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