[Napuljun]

As usual The One, just becuase he is pro-USA he is superior to all communists, socialists, hippies etc... I would like to see you as an Iraqi citizen living in the middle of Baghdad or a Palestinian in the Gaza strip. What dont tell me you would wave American flags!

[LadyVenus]

F_A wrote:

Fact IV: In the Koran wasn't written that Muslim have to wash himself(am I wrong?), while in the Jewish Bible it's a almost a law.

Angel, it is a law:

"When you intend to offer prayer, wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Janaba [sex], purify yourself (bathe your whole body)…." (Al-Ma’idah: 6)

If there is no water:

"… But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e., sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform <>tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands (Al-Ma’idah: 6)

While Europians didn't washed their hands and didn't knew about basic hygiene- while Jews washed themselves regularly. Because of that most of Jews wasn't infected in the Black Death

As far as I know, the Bubonic plague is transmitted by a vector (organisms like rats, camels, sheep..etc) but may occur via inhalation of the germ or by close contact with infected tissue or fluid. So, whether Jews in Europe were clean and were aware of hygiene or not, they couldn't have avoided the plague.

But, anyway, if I already mention this issue- I doubt that most of the Iraqis still keeping their hygine the way they kept it in the time of Arab Empire or even in the time before Saddam.

Pardon me? Most Iraqis are Muslims and the majority do their cleaning and washing as part of the Islamic traditions. Even Arab Christians (Jews have their similar ways as well) in Iraq and the Arab World adopted many Islamic traditions and this cleaning is a cultural norm.

Fact I: Arabs almost didn't lived in Europe in the middle ages.

Arabs had colonised Spain before the middle ages.

The cleaness issue was one of the major concerns of the Arabs when they colonized Spain so they built 300 baths.
http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm

Wasn't this thread about sanctions on Syria? How did we reach hygiene? lol

[Furious Angel]

F_A wrote:

Fact IV: In the Koran wasn't written that Muslim have to wash himself(am I wrong?), while in the Jewish Bible it's a almost a law.

Angel, it is a law:

"When you intend to offer prayer, wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles. If you are in a state of Janaba [sex], purify yourself (bathe your whole body)…." (Al-Ma’idah: 6)

Alright, I ges that I was wrong about that. But again, I was more talking about the difference of Jews from Europians.

As far as I know, the Bubonic plague is transmitted by a vector (organisms like rats, camels, sheep..etc) but may occur via inhalation of the germ or by close contact with infected tissue or fluid. So, whether Jews in Europe were clean and were aware of hygiene or not, they couldn't have avoided the plague.

I didn't said that all the Jews avoided it- but, their loses were far less destructive. And it's logical: Jews washed themselves daily, they didn't used camles, they weren't even near to a sheep... About rats, I don't know- but it's posible that Jews found ways to run them away. But, still, the bottom line is that less Jews than Christians were infected- and that fact rised a big wave of anti-semitism in that time...

But, anyway, if I already mention this issue- I doubt that most of the Iraqis still keeping their hygine the way they kept it in the time of Arab Empire or even in the time before Saddam.

Pardon me? Most Iraqis are Muslims and the majority do their cleaning and washing as part of the Islamic traditions. Even Arab Christians (Jews have their similar ways as well) in Iraq and the Arab World adopted many Islamic traditions and this cleaning is a cultural norm.

Again, i'm not Iraqi- so, it's unstable ground for me to say something 100% correct about this issue.

Fact I: Arabs almost didn't lived in Europe in the middle ages.

Arabs had colonised Spain before the middle ages.

The cleaness issue was one of the major concerns of the Arabs when they colonized Spain so they built 300 baths.
http://www.xmission.com/~dderhak/index/moors.htm

Venus, i'm sure that you'll agree with me that Spain is far from being the "whole Europe". And the fact that Arabs learned Spanish Christians to keep hygiene doesn't mean that they tought all the Europians.

Yeah, Europians were really stink in the middle ages... It remind me that when the Muslims re-conquered Eretz Israel from the Crusaders, they spreaded a lot of Rose perfumes so that they would not feel the bad smell that the Europians left after them.

[Cap]

Sanctions on Syria..... the war in Vietnam..... the invention of washing one's hands.

An interesting discussion, to say the least.


Anyway, looks like Syria is next.


Cap

[QatzelOk]

I just read an interesting article in Syria Today that says president El Assad has promised to wash his hands compulsively for three weeks if the US cancels its invasion. Representatives from Colgate Palmolive and Procter and Gamble refused to comment.