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Social_Critic wrote:
1. You can´t make African a nationality anymore than the Nepalese can make Asian a nationality.
2. The Afrikaners don´t want to join you. They have enough trouble as it is dealing with the brothers in the ANC.
3. If Africans can´t be atheists then they have a serious problem. As an alternative I suggest you try Scientology.
4. If you believe capitalism is more of a problem than communism then you already lost.
5. If you want to marry within your "race" then Africans won´t be useable as a source of transplant body parts in the future.

Why, not Already people are using the term African to describe Blacks regardless of their nation state.
If they do not want to join us then they can leave the continent.
Religion unifies us and states, if not for that there will be infighting.
Did not capitalism do more damage to the continent than any other system.
How is that possible?
#14406442
There is a great man who tried what you said, Ethiopian monarchist, his name is Ghaddafi. He is the champion of pan-Africanism and is brutally murdered.

He modernized and raised the living standards of Libyans
He built the great man made river not just for Libya, for neighbouring African countries as well.
He collaborated with Western powers, but never bow down to them. He sold them his oil at high prices which he used to develop his country.
He called for an African Gold Dinar for oil trade instead of US dollar - and that was too much - his lagacy ended there, and his country is destroyed by NATO for it.

If I am an African, my best hope would actually be China. Why? China did not bully you like the whites did, they traded fairly - that's because you now have a balance of power going on. For thousands of years you have one slave master, the west, who can destroy all of you with impunity if you don't obey. It will not matter how hard you fight, because they will always outgun you. Now you have a choice. You can trade with China or the West, and if one is not offering a good deal, you trade with the other.

Africans must take this opportunity to perfect their craft of statesmanship with less threat of getting outright obliterated and finally, get rid of tribalism and develop some nationality and kinship with all Africans. While us Chinese are being good to Africa now, providing infrastructure and developing economies, you should use this opportunity to your full advantage, take all that is on offer, learn everything there is to learn. Only then Africans will have control of their own destiny. If the day comes that China is no longer playing nice, you will then have the power to say NO.

That is your only way out.
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Ethiopian monarchist wrote:....people are using the term African to describe Blacks regardless of their nation state.
If they do not want to join us then they can leave the continent.
Religion unifies us and states, if not for that there will be infighting.
Did not capitalism do more damage to the continent than any other system.
How is that possible?


People can have dark skin without being from Africa. This includes individuals from the Andaman Islands all the way to Australia and the Phillipines.

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They don´t consider themselves African. So if "people" are using the term African to describe everybody with dark skin they got a problem.

Their terminology also ignores the fact that Berbers and other people from North Africa aren´t black skinned.

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Religion won´t unify you into states. All it will do is make you have civil wars.

Capitalism didn´t do any damage to the continent. The damage to the continent was caused by Africans who were divided into tiny nation states and allowed Arabs and Europeans to kick their behinds. How was that possible? It happens all the time.
#14406704
Ter wrote: do not make up your mind in advance.
Africa is a very big continent. Depending where you go, you will find a very different atmosphere, people, culture, and so on.
I have lived, worked and travelled in Southern Africa, East Africa and Central Africa but I would not like to go to many countries in West Africa.
Good luck.

Ethiopian monarchist wrote:Alright, tell me how was it, Ethiopia first.


Wait, so your telling me, you've been spreading all this extreme nationalist $hit about Ethiopia, but you've never even been there? I'll tell you what its like. Its mountainous, and nearly everyone outside the urban centers is living in poverty. People to the north east are extreme religious fundamentalists, and the south is protected by illegal militias, because the government keeps all its troops on the border for its feud with Eritrea.

The orthodox church runs the school, with absolutely no division between eligion and state, and the country has officially been granted "dangerous travel" status by the Department of State. Its hardly the wonderland you think it is.
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Csareo wrote:
Wait, so your telling me, you've been spreading all this extreme nationalist $hit about Ethiopia, but you've never even been there? I'll tell you what its like. Its mountainous, and nearly everyone outside the urban centers is living in poverty. People to the north east are extreme religious fundamentalists, and the south is protected by illegal militias, because the government keeps all its troops on the border for its feud with Eritrea.

The orthodox church runs the school, with absolutely no division between eligion and state, and the country has officially been granted "dangerous travel" status by the Department of State. Its hardly the wonderland you think it is.

Uh duh, Of course it's poor and ruled by a corrupt so-called socialistic government that not even socialist. If I say tell me about Nigeria it would be worse than that. Did you not read my plan, for any country in Africa to modernize it needs help from the overseas Africans, scientist, doctors, businessman, etc. They can't do it by itself it proves that already.
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Csareo wrote:Wait, so your telling me, you've been spreading all this extreme nationalist $hit about Ethiopia, but you've never even been there? I'll tell you what its like. Its mountainous, and nearly everyone outside the urban centers is living in poverty. People to the north east are extreme religious fundamentalists, and the south is protected by illegal militias, because the government keeps all its troops on the border for its feud with Eritrea.

The orthodox church runs the school, with absolutely no division between eligion and state, and the country has officially been granted "dangerous travel" status by the Department of State. Itshardly the wonderland you think it is.

Ethiopian monarchist wrote:Uh duh, Of course it's poor and ruled by a corrupt so-called socialistic government that not even socialist. If I say tell me about Nigeria it would be worse than that. Did you not read my plan, for any country in Africa to modernize it needs help from the overseas Africans, scientist, doctors, businessman, etc. They can't do it by itself it proves that already.


Wait, so your telling me, you've been spreading all this extreme nationalist $hit about Ethiopia, but you've never even been there. As others also pointed out, you as well, Africans overseas have as much connection to Africa as Americans do to Europe
#14406826
Csareo wrote:
Wait, so your telling me, you've been spreading all this extreme nationalist $hit about Ethiopia, but you've never even been there. As others also pointed out, you as well, Africans overseas have as much connection to Africa as Americans do to Europe

So oversea Africans are nationalist to Continent but never been there. Why can't I be nationalist to my home land. By the way Americans do have lots of connection to Europe.
#14408264
I agree with KlassWar but I should add some more pragmatic choices.

Africa should:
  • reduce the number of cultures and ethnic groups to increase solidarity between Africans
  • remove imperialist influences whilst accepting technological transfer and some foreign expertise to industrialise Africa
  • adopt some successful modernisation policies of certain whilst providing indigenous solutions to problems
#14409325
Decky wrote:Could you clarify? That sounds a tad genocidey.

I meant by enforcing a common first language and stamping out other cultures with carrot and stick. I don't know if this can be done with much bloodshed but my intention is not to exterminate the people but the cultures.
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Quantum wrote:I meant by enforcing a common first language and stamping out other cultures with carrot and stick. I don't know if this can be done with much bloodshed but my intention is not to exterminate the people but the cultures.


I think that would be fairly impossible when you consider even one single country in Africa can have up to one hundred languages/dialects depending on how many tribes they have there. You could try but the people are still going to speak those languages. Ghana is quite possibly my favorite country in Africa. They were the first nation in Africa to rid themselves of European colonization and they have had leaders that supported Pan-Africanism. Their greatest hero in my opinion was their first president Kwame Nkrumah. A lot of what he promoted I would suggest for Africa as a whole.

Kwame Nkrumah: I Speak of Freedom, 1961 wrote:Image

For centuries, Europeans dominated the African continent. The white man arrogated to himself the right to rule and to be obeyed by the non-white; his mission, he claimed, was to "civilise"Africa. Under this cloak, the Europeans robbed the continent of vast riches and inflicted unimaginable suffering on the African people.

All this makes a sad story, but now we must be prepared to bury the past with its unpleasant memories and look to the future. All we ask of the former colonial powers is their goodwill and co-operation to remedy past mistakes and injustices and to grant independence to the colonies in Africa….

It is clear that we must find an African solution to our problems,and that this can only be found in African unity. Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world.

Although most Africans are poor, our continent is potentially extremely rich. Our mineral resources, which are being exploited with foreign capital only to enrich foreign investors, range from gold and diamonds to uranium and petroleum. Our forests contain some of the finest woods to be grown anywhere. Our cash crops include cocoa, coffee, rubber, tobacco and cotton. As for power,which is an important factor in any economic development, Africa contains over 40% of the potential water power of the world, as compared with about 10% in Europe and 13% in North America. Yet so far, less than 1% has been developed. This is one of the reasons why we have in Africa the paradox of poverty in the midst of plenty,and scarcity in the midst of abundance.

Never before have a people had within their grasp so great an opportunity for developing a continent endowed with so much wealth.Individually, the independent states of Africa, some of them potentially rich, others poor, can do little for their people. Together, by mutual help, they can achieve much. But the economic development of the continent must be planned and pursued as a whole. A loose confederation designed only for economic co-operation would not provide the necessary unity of purpose. Only a strong political union can bring about full and effective development of our natural resources for the benefit of our people.

The political situation in Africa today is heartening and at the same time disturbing. It is heartening to see so many new flags hoisted in place of the old; it is disturbing to see so many countries of varying sizes and at different levels of development, weak and, in some cases, almost helpless. If this terrible state of fragmentation is allowed to continue it may well be disastrous for us all.

There are at present some 28 states in Africa, excluding the Union of South Africa, and those countries not yet free. No less than nine of these states have a population of less than three million.Can we seriously believe that the colonial powers meant these countries to be independent, viable states? The example of South America, which has as much wealth, if not more than North America,and yet remains weak and dependent on outside interests, is one which every African would do well to study.

Critics of African unity often refer to the wide differences in culture, language and ideas in various parts of Africa. This is true, but the essential fact remains that we are all Africans,and have a common interest in the independence of Africa. The difficulties presented by questions of language, culture and different political systems are not insuperable. If the need for political union is agreed by us all, then the will to create it is born;and where there's a will there's a way.

The present leaders of Africa have already shown a remarkable willingness to consult and seek advice among themselves. Africans have, indeed, begun to think continentally. They realise that they have much in common, both in their past history, in their present problems and in their future hopes. To suggest that the time is not yet ripe for considering a political union of Africa is to evade the facts and ignore realities in Africa today.

The greatest contribution that Africa can make to the peace of the world is to avoid all the dangers inherent in disunity, by creating a political union which will also by its success, stand as an example to a divided world. A Union of African states will project more effectively the African personality. It will command respect from a world that has regard only for size and influence.The scant attention paid to African opposition to the French atomic tests in the Sahara, and the ignominious spectacle of the U.N.in the Congo quibbling about constitutional niceties while the Republic was tottering into anarchy, are evidence of the callous disregard of African Independence by the Great Powers.

We have to prove that greatness is not to be measured in stockpiles of atom bombs. I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives,the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear,envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind.

The emergence of such a mighty stabilising force in this strife-worn world should be regarded not as the shadowy dream of a visionary,but as a practical proposition, which the peoples of Africa can,and should, translate into reality. There is a tide in the affairs of every people when the moment strikes for political action.Such was the moment in the history of the United States of America when the Founding Fathers saw beyond the petty wranglings of the separate states and created a Union. This is our chance. We must act now. Tomorrow may be too late and the opportunity will have passed, and with it the hope of free Africa's survival.

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