Drlee wrote:This is a huge diplomatic mistake by Trump.
There is no mistake at all. Dicky Durbin decided he wanted to try to blow up Trump, and it didn't work. Instead, now we all call Dick Durbin "Dicky." Although, I think "little Dicky Durbin" would have been better.
Drlee wrote:His childish behavior is harming the nation and the fact that his stupid supporters can't see that even more frightening.
Calling Haiti a shithole in a private meeting isn't childish behavior. It's just being honest, because Haiti is indeed a shithole. Waxing offended and running out of the White House and plying histrionics to the media is childish behavior, and little Dicky Durbin should not have done that.
Beren wrote:The best in the Trump presidency is that every Tom, Dick, and Harry at an auto repair shop or construction job-site can feel like president anytime the Donald opens his mouth.
Yep, just as every black person could feel that way while Obama was president. So what? The reality is that the Democratic party has abandoned the working class and finds them deplorable.
SolarCross wrote:But some are just pathologically enraged at Trump's very existence and anything he says or does will be an opportunity for frothing and raving. If he had used Blair's elegant phrasing to disguise his meaning you would all be screeching on how he wasn't speaking clearly enough.
Well, they continue to lie about what Trump says, so it's not like you could take little Dicky Durbin at his word anyway. Take this Julian Zellzer article from CNN for example:
Obama's stern warning for TrumpWorst President Obama wrote:"One of the things that Michelle figured out, in some ways faster than I did, was part of your ability to lead the country doesn't have to do with legislation, doesn't have to do with regulations, it has to do with shaping attitudes, shaping culture, increasing awareness."
Oooh... That's pretty stern. I'll bet Trump is quaking in his boots.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:As we learned again this week, the President is willing to use crass and hateful rhetoric in public and in formal events in a way we have not seen in the contemporary era, or at least not from presidents who were acting in the way we hope to see.
Nobody cares what CNN analysts hope to see. Trump wasn't speaking publicly, so we don't know what he actually said and we cannot realistically believe the Democrats or the media because they lie almost reflexively.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:Speaking to a military adviser, President Lyndon Johnson called Vietnam a "little pissant country" and in racist phone conversations he can be heard uttering racist rhetoric. The architect of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 was not shy about using the "N Word" when talking with southerners, or comparing African-Americans to ungrateful children after the riots of 1965 and 1967.
Right. So why the talk that this is all "unprecedented"? It's total bullshit.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:Baby Boomers will remember just how shocked they were during the Watergate investigation to learn through the transcripts of the White House recordings that President Richard Nixon swore, personally insulted his enemies, and used anti-Semitic language behind closed doors. Nixon referred to Henry Kissinger as "Jew-boy."
Right. The phony "outrage" is all a bunch of bullshit.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:President Trump, who launched his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, was reported to have said that all Haitians "have AIDS" (the White House denied the statement) and that Nigerians "live in huts." When he said during the campaign that US Judge Gonzalo Curiel should recuse himself from the Trump University lawsuit because of his Mexican background, Speaker Paul Ryan called it the "textbook definition of a racist comment." Trump's comments about Muslims in the US and around the world, perpetually painting them as a dangerous and hostile population, are too extensive to list in one article.
@SolarCross To this very day, they continue to lie about what Trump said. Trump was referring to illegal aliens, not immigrants in general. Trump didn't call all Mexicans rapists and criminals. He never said it. He didn't even call all illegal aliens rapists and criminals. He very clearly said, "and I assume some are good people." Trump won, because voters have had enough of the nonstop leftist propaganda and substandard performance of establishment politicians hiding their abject failure behind a screen of political correctness. People know that Julian Zellzer is deliberately misleading his readers, and in some cases just repeating lies that have been proven false many times--leading to the moniker of CNN as "fake news."
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:Trump has repeatedly made disparaging comments about women, from Rosie O'Donnell to Hillary Clinton to Mika Brzezinski.
So what? They are all public personalities that have made disparaging comments about Trump too. If women want equality, this is what it looks like. It was the political left that tore down all the chivalrous protections for women. I only open the door for conservative women I like. Feminists can do it themselves. If women want to vote; if women want to express political views; if women want to attack men verbally, then they have to be willing to accept the same in kind. That's equality. Chivalry is gone, because the political left wanted it gone.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:His refusal to come down hard against the Nazis in Charlottesville -- saying that "both sides" were to blame -- was in itself a powerful speech act loaded with racial implications, all of which builds on a long and controversial history where he has been accused of racism.
Trump was spot on. The reason the riots happened at all is because Democratic party politicians saw a peaceful Nazi protest months earlier and were troubled by the lack of opposition to them. So they informed all these BLM, Antifa and other groups when the Unite the Right folks put together their demonstration. The second demonstration saw 22 Antifa/BLM and other groups opposing Unite the Right get arrested, but nobody from Unite the Right getting arrested--since they weren't committing any crimes. So the third time, Democrats and their rent-a-mob decided on a physical confrontation that led to violence. That is the truth of what happened, and I had to do extensive digging to find the chain of events, because the media does not report the truth. It is strictly propaganda now. CNN is fake news.
What Trump should have done is referred to the Justice Department the fact that the government officials of Virginia and of Charlottesville in effect violated their oaths of office by inciting riots and allowing them to foment rather than ensuring domestic tranquility as is their sworn duty. The media also participated in this sham, and should be prosecuted accordingly too. When the press participates in organizing counter demonstrations and fanning the flames, they are not protected by the first amendment and they should be arrested, prosecuted and incarcerated and their operations subject to cease and desist orders. Trump is frankly too nice. He talks tough, but he's a soft touch.
Julian Zellzer of CNN wrote:The job of the president is to push back against these elements of society, even if they lean toward his or her own political coalition, to remain an example of the direction in which the country should move.
No. The job of the presidency is laid out in Article II of the US constitution and has nothing to do with the namby pamby bullshit the political left tries to characterize as "American values".
Pants-of-dog wrote:To be honest, when I walk down the strrets in a major US city, such as NYC, I am struck by the massive income inequality, the amount of homeless people, and the high number of people desperate to sell me something.
Yes, and many of us are tired of it too. Most of the homeless are either drug addicted (thanks political left for promoting drug culture), alcoholic, or people without technical skills (thanks political left for closing down vocational training in high schools; and, for flooding the country with immigrants who can't speak the language and don't have technical skills).
Pants-of-dog wrote:I do not like to swear (I leave that to my beloved), but if you are going to claim that developing countries are deserving of such an epithet, then look to the plank in your own eye.
We do! That's why we elected Trump. The Democrats want to turn the US into a third world country. That's exactly why we are fighting DACA and all this bullshit even from Republicans like Lindsey Graham (who was beaten badly by Trump in the South Carolina primary).
Pants-of-dog wrote:The same thing happens when I visit LA, Detroit, Miami, Vegas and other places in the US.
Yep. And they are all governed by Democrats.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:Talk about an example of asinine elitist snobbery.
That's a trenchant point, and exactly why these people do not understand why Trump won.
Drlee wrote:An American (or any other person from the first world) visiting the poorer areas of Africa would indeed feel out of place and, if they had any heart at all, feel pity for the people. But that is the thing. Africans visiting the poorer areas in Africa would feel the same.
Victoribus Spolia has it right about you, and a lot of the so-called leftists here: snobbery. If "multi-cultural" is to be real, and not just the multi-racial monoculture that they are actually promoting, then you have to be respectful of the fact that some cultures choose to live in tribes and a nomadic existence. My little sister was horrified by the little Masai toddlers crying in patties of bovine shit and covered in flies. She was also deeply troubled that the Masai men value their cattle more than their women. She also had to deal with a leftist Italian woman who started showing the Masai women pictures of American houses and asking my sister if she had a house like that (she did). That's multiculturalism, and why we oppose it. The fact of the matter is that concepts like racial equality, gender equality, economic equality and so forth are not universal ideals at all. Anyone with enough wit to get a passport and the resources for an airline ticket and enough pocket money to fund a minor expedition can see with their own eyes that what is expounded upon in the Western media is in fact a load of horseshit.
Battle stress is one cause of PTSD in soldiers. Another is the horror of being subjected to what they would consider a barbaric culture; then, being told that they need to be sensitive to it, while at the same time being falsely accused of war crimes by those very same people. For example, in Afghanistan Taliban sympathizers have done such things as take a man hostage, force him to kill his wife and daughter to save his own life, and then use the bodies of the dead wife and child to falsely blame US soldiers for killing civilians when calling in airstrikes on their positions, because they know that this tugs at the heart strings of American liberals. There is a lot of horrible shit happening in this world, and I think it is perfectly fine for anyone including the president of the United States to refer to Afghanistan (for example) as a shit hole, and refer to the Taliban as "animals" or "savages" or "barbarians." I'm totally cool with that. I'm not cool with the phony multi-cultural types or bourgeois leftists who live very comfortable lives in capitalist societies denigrating their own good fortune and demonstrating daily an unwillingness to leave it for a socialist paradise like Cuba or Venezuela.
Drlee wrote:If the goal is to deal with despotic governments and make life better for Africans, and I hope it is, then the last thing to do is throw these despots a bone. That is what Trump did. General and Dictator for Life, The Reverend Doctor Joe Blow of Whereverland can stand in front of his people and say, "Here is what the racist Americans, who took our forefathers as slaves, really think of you. You need to follow me because I love you like my own children and a bright future awaits".
The problem is that Trump didn't do this. Little Dicky Durbin and the mainstream media did it. The leader of Bongobongoland is going to say that irrespective of what Trump is alleged to have said by a fuckwit US Senator who wants to flood the US with cheap unskilled labor and no resources to assimilate into mainstream American culture.
Drlee wrote:Of course the obvious one is their sense of cultural superiority.
Sense of superiority? Is it superior to have refrigerators, air conditioners, heaters, airplanes, plumbing, electricity, natural gas, medicine, internal combustion engines, etc.? Or is that just relative? Are the Masai "poor," or are they just choosing a different way of life? Maybe they don't invent airplanes, because they don't want to fly somewhere. There's always that possibility.
Drlee wrote:Perhaps more disturbing is that they fail to see how profoundly this kind of childish rhetoric on the part of an American president, harms our country. And by extension, all western countries seen as allied to the US.
Little Dicky Durbin and the shitbirds at CNN and MSNBC can very easily not propagate that horseshit over their airwaves if they so choose. We are at the 20th anniversary of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which broke only because Matt Drudge reported it while Newsweek buried the story. The media chooses what to cover, and what we have from Little Dicky Durbin is hearsay. We did not witness Trump say this himself. In actual fact, we see and hear Trump say things and then see and hear the media lie about it like when they say Trump called all Mexicans rapists and criminals, which he clearly didn't.
Drlee wrote:They will not realize or admit if they do, that their upcoming political losses, whatever they are, will be a self-inflicted wound.
It's not a self-inflicted wound. It's Little Dicky Durbin and the media trying to undermine Trump's presidency with hearsay.
Suntzu wrote:There are some shitholes in the U.S., mostly inhabited by immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa.
And almost universally governed by Democrats.
SolarCross wrote:What Trump said was basically correct, not polite but then so often politeness is just a lie, and for this you are enraged and then mostly because it was Trump who said it. If Blair in a rare moment of honesty said the same plain truth you would not mind at all. All of Africa's problems are just an opportunity for you to obsess over trump.
If any Democrat said exactly the same thing, they would have no problem with it at all. The point of Trump's presidency is that political correctness has died a well-deserved death. It's just running around now for a little while like a headless chicken.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:Cognitive dissonance has reached a breaking point in this country when pundits cannot admit that they would feel safer, both regarding crime and their health, to visit Norway rather than Haiti.
Yes, but even that's changing. Would you want to visit Londonistan or Paristan now? Would you feel safe strolling through Clichy Subois at night?
Victoribus Spolia wrote:Third world countries, no matter where they are, may be characterized in common parlance as shitholes.
Right, and when they set up camp in places like Calais, they are simply making Calais a shithole too.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Neo-imperialism and neo-colonialism of the developing world by the US and its allies is not an opinion. It is a fact.
More boring socialist dogma. Africa was a shithole before imperialism and colonialism. It was less of a shithole during colonialism, but still a shithole. It was a shithole in the post-colonial years. It is a shithole now that it is becoming part of the Chinese empire. Subsaharan Africa is a shithole. It has a lot of natural beauty, but it's a terrible place to live if you're not a wildebeast or a gazelle or something.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:People tend to think Trump's statement is correct, because it is correct. Africa and the 3rd world are shitholes.
The left thinks so too, but they just think they are somehow superior if they don't say so.
Bulaba Jones wrote:Saying something like that out loud in front of other major politicians isn't simply gross stupidity, but what we call a diplomatic incident.
Only if Little Dicky Durbin wants to make it one and the media trolls along with him, which they obviously did.
Bulaba Jones wrote:It helps no one but our rivals when the POTUS behaves like a child.
Well, the Democrats did this because they thought it would help them electorally. I don't think it will. What we can learn from this is that bi-partisanship is a bad idea.
Hindsite wrote:Yes, and Senator Graham is considered a statesman by saying publicly in the Senate 4 years ago that we can not accept people from every "hell-hole" in the world. Somehow "shit" is racist and "hell" is not. Is it the color of "shit" that makes the difference?
Maybe it's the smell of "shit" that makes the difference. Dunno.
Godstud wrote:Most people who call Africa a shit-hole, have never ventured far from their backyards in Bigotville, USA, are exercising their ethnocentrism and cultural superiority complex.
Well, maybe they are saving their money, because they've seen it on TV. For example, I would say Rio De Janeiro is a shithole. I have been there. They dump raw sewage from the favellas into the water. It smells like shit precisely because it is full of shit. Ipanema basically means bad smelling water as I understand it. There is a lot of natural beauty in Rio. However, it is a shithole.
Godstud wrote:It's not racist. It's just a really ignorant thing for a president to say.
It's not ignorant. It is acknowledging a fact. For example, me calling Rio a shithole is not ignorant. It is acknowledging the fact that raw sewage gets dumped into the water there. So it smells like shit. Hence, "shithole." Lots of people there go to the beach, but they don't swim in the water. Why do you think that is?
Tainari88 wrote:Why? Because they are planners and they have a long term strategy in mind.
Whereas, as Trump has pointed out, our politicians are quite stupid and impossibly venal.
Pants-of-dog wrote:And the fact that Trump says racist crap often. It is part of his strategy for getting and maintaining power.
Ah... so you are saying that Trump is being intelligent, and so is Little Dicky Durbin... They are simply vying for power.
Rancid wrote:These places are shitholes mainly due to US and foreign intervention and meddling.
That's just a bunch of left wing rubbish.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:I'm sorry, but throwing garbage wherever you walk (like I personally saw done in the Ghetto, countless times), and washing your clothes in a crick where raw sewage is dumped is not something you can simply "blame on the white man."
Right. What they are really troubled about is that we don't want to live like a bunch of savage Democrats.
suntzu wrote:The root cause of Africa's problem is an average I.Q. of 70.
Well, telling the truth isn't appreciated by the political left.
Drlee wrote:There are studies that have positively associated high IQ with happiness. And this was true even when you factor out education, income and job. It seems that low IQ people suffer from more variability in happiness in different stages of life. So it is fair to say that smart people are a bit happier and that this happiness comes from their ability to solve problems wisely and make themselves happier along the way.
Perhaps this is why black people created the blues.
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