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#14285235
^ Left wing Communism : An Infantile Disorder.

Seriously, Naxalites are embodiment of everything that is wrong with extreme left adventurers. I can understand sympathy (and even understand the importance of their resistance) but if any Marxists believe that they are the best option and should be in power are deluding themselves. It will be the end of working class movement in India.
#14285959
fuser wrote:^ Left wing Communism : An Infantile Disorder.

Seriously, Naxalites are embodiment of everything that is wrong with extreme left adventurers. I can understand sympathy (and even understand the importance of their resistance) but if any Marxists believe that they are the best option and should be in power are deluding themselves. It will be the end of working class movement in India.
I was partly trolling to get a reaction, but now that you've taken my post seriously, why don't you enlighten us on who would be the BEST option for India in 2014? The reality is that most working-class movements have resulted in the destruction of their own goals once any form of power has taken place and the movement has been replaced with either a strong authoritarian society or sold itself out to the capitalists for foreign capital. So, please enlighten us on who would assist the working-class movement in India.
#14286083
None of the realistic candidates who will likely take power is going to put forward working class in its agenda, that's pretty obvious. But if we are doing wishful thinking, then even the CPM is far better option than Naxalites.
#14286375
fuser wrote:None of the realistic candidates who will likely take power is going to put forward working class in its agenda, that's pretty obvious. But if we are doing wishful thinking, then even the CPM is far better option than Naxalites.
So, what you're saying is that I'm correct in my original post.
#14286754
fuser wrote:How did you made that leap? or how did you missed, even CPM is far better option than naxalaites from that post? or you are again partially trolling?
The OP wanted to see change to the state of India when it comes to the election in 2014. So, I, partly joking, suggested the Naxalaites as an option. Then, you rush in and suggest that I have '[a]n Infantile Disorder' for suggesting that group. Then you continue on your rant about how there is no group that supports the working-class movement, blah blah blah.

So, where are we now? The OP wanted a suggestion and I provided one. I don't think the OP was looking for who would lead the working-class to victory, though.
#14286764
The fuck you are talking about? Did you missed the part where this board is supposed to be a debate forum?

And no I didn't had a dream that Eauz is going to partially joke/troll on a thread and I didn't prepared myself fot that, seriously.

I just put my doubts on your suggestion (specially since you are a marxist) and I don't know how the fuck it got to your nerve or am I allowed to have doubts on other people's suggestions only when I have my own realastic concrete plan for 2014? Well, that's absurd.

And obviously OP is just a liberal and I have a feeling that his appeal is to vote for BJP.
#14286775
From a neutral pov (in this congress vs bjp), I feel Congress (read UPA - United Progressive Alliance) will win. Bjp (read NDA - National Democratic Alliance) is out of allies. When they were in power NDA had more than 20 political party and now just 2.

No single party will come in majority anyway in forseeable future, But the sky rocketing inflation can always be a death blow for Congress but then they have their pet schemes like, "direct cash transfer" "and food security bill" which can win them this election just like in last election, schemes like MNERGA and Loan wavier for farmers won the elections for them.
#14286800
Fuser, many in BJP and the leadership are liberals (as with Congress, of course), but do you suppose there is also a number of genuine nationalists and other illiberal folk who vote BJP for lack of a better option? I imagine most in the RSS, for example, may swing to the BJP for big national rather than regional elections if they feel it has a chance of unseating Congress.
#14286816
Of course, you are right. Recently BJP has swung more towards core RSS ideology (even sidelining their own senior leaders for this), hence the reason many former allies that have left her side.
#14287178
fuser wrote:I just put my doubts on your suggestion (specially since you are a marxist (sp) ) and I don't know how the fuck it got to your nerve or am I allowed to have doubts on other people's suggestions only when I have my own realastic (sp) concrete plan for 2014? Well, that's absurd.
Just because of you, I will now fully support the Naxalites as the best option in 2014. You can say all that you want on the forum, I really do not care. However, realistically, looking at my post and the goal that the OP was seeking, do you think that the Naxalites will be given a majority in 2014?
#14287187
Eauz, the maoists look to gain power through the barrel of their guns, not through the ballot box.
If they do win the elections, like in Nepal, the people do not benefit and the maoists become bourgeois very quickly. It is such a mess in Nepal that there is a movement to bring back the king
#14287224
Just because of you, I will now fully support the Naxalites as the best option in 2014




Oh, god how will I live with this guilt now, I made a person on teh internet supporter of Naxalites.

However, realistically, looking at my post and the goal that the OP was seeking, do you think that the Naxalites will be given a majority in 2014?


The fuck? From your post I assumed you supported the naxalite movement (irrespective of 2014 election). but I don't how the fuck a simple comment on naxalites by me got to your nerve which I had hoped will stir up a small debate on whole naxalite movement.

But yeah, its just that I have been successfully trolled, congratulations.
#14287571
Ter wrote:Eauz, the maoists look to gain power through the barrel of their guns, not through the ballot box.
Master of the obvious.

fuser wrote:From your post I assumed you supported the naxalite movement (irrespective of 2014 election).
How so?

fuser wrote:but I don't how the fuck a simple comment on naxalites by me got to your nerve which I had hoped will stir up a small debate on whole naxalite movement.
It did not, however, you came to a sudden conclusion that that I had an infantile disorder for making that comment. It's obvious from discussing with you that you are the one with this disorder.
#14287612
Eauz wrote:Master of the obvious.

Yes, and we were talking about the elections in 2014.
You are rooting for the Naxalites in those elections.
A little politeness would go a long way, Eauz.

PS. We have some of those maoists in Bangladesh also and they are shot like dogs when found.
#14287686
Eauz wrote:How so?


Really?

Eauz wrote:The best option for India would be to welcome the Naxalite into their capital to control the country.


Please tell me what a reader will infer from the above statement specially when he/she is not aware that you were partially trolling?

It did not, however, you came to a sudden conclusion that that I had an infantile disorder for making that comment.




So, this is the whole crux of your outbrust. Just to clarify I called Naxalites, "left being extremism an infantile disorder", the phrase itself was referencing to lenin's famous book left wing communism an infantile disorder.

Now If you had paid attention, nowhere did I claimed you of having some sort of disorder but that disorder is possesed by left wing extremist which are naxalites in here. And if you are supporting naxalites, you are supporting just that "an infantile disorder."

Was it clear? Try not taking everything personally.

It's obvious from discussing with you that you are the one with this disorder.




Yeah, so now you are going to engage in this sort of children's drivel.
#14288032
fuser wrote:Please tell me what a reader will infer from the above statement specially when he/she is not aware that you were partially trolling?
How did you get from the statement that I supported the group? All I said was that India should welcome them to the capital to control the country. You're placing words in my mouth.

fuser wrote:So, this is the whole crux of your outbrust. Just to clarify I called Naxalites, "left being extremism an infantile disorder", the phrase itself was referencing to lenin's famous book left wing communism an infantile disorder.

Now If you had paid attention, nowhere did I claimed you of having some sort of disorder but that disorder is possesed by left wing extremist which are naxalites in here. And if you are supporting naxalites, you are supporting just that "an infantile disorder."

Was it clear? Try not taking everything personally.
Okay, I guess we both misunderstood each other. Nevertheless, why is supporting the Naxalites a sign of infantile disorder in the left, when it has been a sign of both Right and Left extremist movements. The Cuban revolution was constructed upon upon these foundations as well. It is not until these groups come into power, do we view them as having some legitimacy, but then reality sets in and you really can't sit in infantile disorder mode for long. The majority of leftist movements in the world have at least some strand of this disorder within their genetic makeup. Unfortunately, despite Lenin, there is no perfect Socialist organization anywhere in the world, partly due to socioeconomic conditions and historical influences.
#14288204
Eauz wrote:How did you get from the statement that I supported the group? All I said was that India should welcome them to the capital to control the country. You're placing words in my mouth.


Okay fair enough. Yes, it seems we both misunderstood each other.

Then, first of all I would like to make clear that I do not wish to see Naxalites eradicated from India as they are a necessary force just by their sheer presence.

Now, the history of naxalite movement in India is filled with casteist violence, revenge killings, individual terrorism (things that marxist usually abhor) etc etc, there is no clear vision or tactics unlike the cuban revolutionaries. Their theories are stuck in past which is basically what Mao said about China in early 20th century which has no bearings on India of today really.

They are as disconnected with working class as liberal parties in India at least Mao had their support/sympathy even though his revolution was led by peasants.
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