[bjgupta]

Indian public has been badly letdown by corrupt political leaders. Hopelessness and sense of being knocked down is natural outcome of widely prevailing corruption. It is time to accept the reality of corruption and do our best. In the scenario when no political party is free of corruption, I appeal to voters to judge the party which is less corrupt and bring it to power. If we are successful in bringing to power a party which is even 10% less corrupt than other, we will be making our country richer by billions of rupees. This act would be as charitable as donating blood and more charitable than donating millions of rupees to the country.
So although badly knocked down , it is for you to stand up and fight. Nobody else will.
With regards,


(B.J. Gupta)

[Soulflytribe]

Gupta, stop being so romantic....
The next political leaders will be as corrupt as the current ones, if not more.

If you want to reduce corruption by 10%, you should propose the privatization of 10% of Indian state companies.
You may say that corruption is also present in private companies, and I'd agree with you, but they will be stealing from private pockets, not from the average Indian taxpayer. There is less corruption in Hong Kong or Macau compared to mainland China not because the politicians or the people are different, but because the system is different.

[bjgupta]

Previous leaders have not been as corrupt as current ones. There in lies the hope that next political leaders, if different from current one may turn out to be less corrupt.

[Rei Murasame]

I think you need to address three things:

• The unbalanced development model that India is presently engaged in.
  

  Abstract:
  Global integration of China and India has had quite different effects on the structural pattern of their economic growth. Manufacturing became the engine of economic growth in the former whereas the latter thrived due to the rapid growth of services sector. The implications of their present patterns of growth seem to be very favourable for long-term development. However, employment effects of their integration into the global economy are quite similar, and are evident in fast growth of labour, migration of skilled labour force to developed countries, decline of employment in formal sector and slow growth of regular wage employment. In this context, sustainability of the fast economic growth of China and India depends largely on the extent to which they are able to generate a process for steady expansion of regular wage employment and productivity of low skilled labour force.

  
  
  
• The problem of Jammu & Kashmir, Aksai Chin, and so on.
  
  This map really speaks for itself.
  

  Solution lies in the words and teachings of our ancient sages and Rishis. Swami Vivekananda said that “Shakti” is the power that builds the nation and without it the nation is enslaved. He asked, ‘Why is it that our country is the weakest- because ‘Shakti’ is held in dishonor here’ This he had said over a century ago, but unfortunately, it is true even today. ‘Shakti means national power to influence events in the interest of the nation. This Shakti flows out of economic strength, social harmony, people educated and dedicated to national cause, and most importantly military strength. However, the crucial element of the national ‘Shakti’ is the national leadership that is able to harness all this power and bring it to bear in national interest.
  
  The strategic solution lies in breaking the unholy nexus between China and Pakistan by, firstly vigorously claiming POK and GB areas, supporting the population to fight the occupation forces, and by breaking the China link to the Arabian sea through Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa and Balochistan.
  
  [...]
  
  Awake my countrymen, your country is threatened, both externally and internally, and unfortunately your so called democratically elected government at present is fast asleep, content in its ‘appeasement policy’ internally and externally. Unless a country is militarily strong, no one will respect you, and all the economic gains will be for someone else to enjoy. Let not history of the past seven hundred years repeat itself.

  
  
  
• The problem of the string of pearls.
  

  In view of the focused and well thought out strategy of the Chinese if we think we are going to give the Chinese a run for their money in Asia, we need to refocus on the region instead of cosying up to the super power [United States] who is treating us with barely concealed contempt. Pakistan’s proxy war needs a strong response including punitive air strikes to take out the known terrorist camps in POK. Chinese intrusions must not be treated with the famous oriental calm. We must ask China to vacate our area in Aksai Chin – something we have never done so far. Concurrently infrastructural development in border areas must be taken up in right earnest. Nepal needs to be firmly told to be sensitive to Indian interest and not play footie with Pak lSI and Chinese failing which a blockade can bring her to her senses. Indo-Bhutan Treaty needs to be renegotiated and Bhutan must be given all help including military to counter the Chinese aggression.
  
  Bangladesh must be firmly brought in line. Fencing must be completed and even cross border raids can be launched to destroy camps of ULFA and other militant groups on its soil. Mynamar junta must not be treated as untouchables. You have to do business with whoever is in power.
  
  Relations with Sri Lanka and Maldives need to be energized. In short stop taking our neighbours for granted. This has been the greatest failure of India’s foreign policy in six decades and has allowed China to keep us unbalanced, unhinged and confined to South Asia

You need politicians who will address these issues boldly and directly. It would also help if you all could guarantee stability in the regions that you are asking Japanese companies companies to go in and develop. Japanese business people need to know that India has national security at the number one position on your priority list. It needs to be convincingly shown.

It can get pretty costly when people are trying to build infrastructure, and there are ISI-CIA-funded American-Pakistani-Saudi-backed Muslim terrorists, and Chinese-backed Naxalite terrorists running around all over the place making trouble. You need to kill those people. Just get it done.

You need a strong government that isn't afraid to ruffle the feathers of Amnesty International in order to violently rid yourselves of the terrorists, and place India in a position to stand up and take back the territories that you want, regardless of what the USA thinks or doesn't think.

[Sithsaber]

pOVERTY and poor public service will not be solved by needlessly antagonizing the Pakistanis and Chinese over some god forsaken mountains the central government would leave to rot anyway.

[Rei Murasame]

Forgive me if I don't believe that your 'peace' stance is genuine. They are such 'god forsaken' mountains, that somehow everyone wants to be there?

[Sithsaber]

Jingoism and some outdated trade routes/ advance outposts aren't worth nuclear annihilation and the implosion of the two main asian powerhouses. Everyone would die if shit got real, and starting up a thousand little Kashmirs is bad for business. Maybe after India deals with internally rampant lawlessness, caste based powderkegs and Naxalite insurgency will it be able to play 19th century Risk.

PS: None of you could handle China going back to exporting revolution and the American response of getting further in bed with Mujahahadin typpe groups. China will revert to a limited reMaoization if it feels that the economy is crashing and needs to crack down on internal and external dissent. China would also not go the way of the Russians and only seem to back Slavic groups and certain minority groups due to fears of its own seperatism, China would bullshit something about the paramount nature of the state and save the Han glorification for use against Hong Kong and Japan. Sanjay Gupta's reaction to a Shining Path India would be interesting though.

[Rei Murasame]

I'll take all that with a grain of salt, since I already know that you are in the tank for the Mujahedeen and the Americans anyway. So of course you would try to suggest that India taking back its own property would lead to 'nuclear annihilation' and so on.

[Sithsaber]

1. India, Pakistan and China all have nukes. You can't reasonably expect to just punch everyone in the face and a ultimatum of MAD if they don't back down.

2. China and Pakistan should hypothetically have more influence in India than India has in them. A limited loss of Balochistan and increased fundamentalism in Pakistan is not a death-knell, and there is pretty much no way China can be expelled from Tibet at this point (and wouldn't support of muslim "fundamentalists" in Xinjiang make you as bad as the Americans?)

I accuse you of ulterior motives, seeing how a breakdown in China's western flank and South West Asia in irradiated flames would only benefit your mad vision for Japan. Admit it, you see the Hindus as pawns.

[Rei Murasame]

Oh look, we're both accusing each other of having ulterior motives. Deadlock time.

India can win, and hopefully they will win in the end, and you'll just have to accept it. You don't have the vision, because you don't believe in India. I actually believe that India has a special role to play in history, and we will all witness it in our lifetimes.

[Sithsaber]

If by special role you mean the unnecessary derailment of the asian century by ineptly pushing a major drop off in the human population and worldwide crop failure than I hesitantly agree


Seriously though, you're pushing some cockamamey shit right here in the name of killing some pseudo reds. This would make a good implausibly stupid Tom Clancy/Turtledove series though.

[Rei Murasame]

If by special role you mean the unnecessary derailment of the asian century

Oh yeah, I really believe that you care about the Asian Century.

You are literally one of the last people on PoFo that I would go to for a pro-Asian Century opinion.

[Sithsaber]

I'm pro logic; logic demands that you don't throw away trillions of dollars and a shift away from the traditionally overt western hegemony and thousands of years of civilization in the name of apocalyptic fervor and murder suicide.

[Rei Murasame]

I wonder when you are planning to inform Pakistan - or any other Sunni Muslim fragile state - of that idea. Probably never?

[Sithsaber]

Well according to logic Pakistan would continue to fall further and further behind and probably wouldn't even survive past the century; which is another reason why India shouldn't be stupid enough to throw away their inevitable dominance for doomsday plots.

[Rei Murasame]

Nice try. "Do nothing because somehow your enemy will just give you back all your stuff one day! If you take any action it would cause doomsday, so you should just exist in complete paralysis instead!"

The tragic thing is that there are probably some in India who would in fact fall for that ruse.

[Sithsaber]

You don't need to outright conquer strips of land if you can make the neighboring regions into your economic bitch. All you seem to focus on is pieces of cloth and outdated notions of static anthropology.

[Rei Murasame]

Yes, that worked so well with Pakistan when you tried it, it worked so well in fact, that they actually handed you Bin Laden on a plate and didn't hide him inside the heart of their country for 10 years after literally smuggling him out of Afghanistan.

Oh, wait...

Guess what, it is in Pakistan's long term national interest to keep supporting the fundamentalist groups, to keep supporting the Haqqani network, and to keep exporting terror into India, Afghanistan, and other parts of Asia. The only time that interest will disappear, is if Pakistan has all of its claws pulled.

But for obvious reasons, you pretend not to understand this.

[Sithsaber]

I understand that it would make more sense to bankroll the Bhutto, the military, the local tribes or the communist remnants than it makes sense to start a unwinnable war. This area isn't like a slightly larger Korea, the map is complicated and can't be handled by those who think of it as a map game.

[Eauz]

The best option for India would be to welcome the Naxalite into their capital to control the country.