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By Rich
#15202091
ArthurTandy1 wrote:Antisemitism was coined in the 19th century to refer only to hatred of Jews. It amazes me that anyone would not take the trouble to look that up.

:lol: What a stupid thing to say. You obviously didn't bother to look it up yourself. The accusation of anti Semitism was first used against Ernst Renan. Ernst Renan believed that Semites were inferior. But even in Renan's day the idea that the Ashkenazi were intellectually inferior was utterly absurd. He argued that the Ashkenazi were of Turkic origin hence they weren't Semites The overwhelming majority of Jews that Renan would have been familiar with, would have been Ashkenazi. So Renan was saying that the overwhelming majority of public intellectual Jews were not inferior. So anti-Semitism has completely reversed from being anti Semites, but actually excluding most Jews to meaning hatred of Jews and not Semites.

Jew haters gravitated towards the terms anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic, because they sounded a lot more intellectually credible than Jew haters. Zionists have insisted on using the terms not because they want to eliminate hatred of Jews but precisely because they want to sustain it. Hardcore Zionists know that they need hated of Jews without the Middle East to justify denial of human rights to Palestinians and they need hatred of Jews in the rest of the world to garner sympathy for Israel and to encourage more Jews to emigrate to Israel and help in the demographic struggle against the Muslims.
By pugsville
#15202092
late wrote:Your spelling of "It;s" is dubious. Might it be the result of moral decay?

It's not "a proper English", the "a" is superfluous, 'proper English' will do nicely.

Also, we do have our own language. Granted, we stole it from you, but we muddle along, best we can.


I am not English.
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By JohnRawls
#15202122
ArthurTandy1 wrote:Antisemitism was coined in the 19th century to refer only to hatred of Jews. It amazes me that anyone would not take the trouble to look that up.


Sure, if you argue the semantics for the wording may be. Antisemitism existed way before most realise and Hitler wasn't even the worst anti-semite leader. Hadrian was along with many of his colleagues in power before or after him.
By ArthurTandy1
#15202171
JohnRawls wrote:Sure, if you argue the semantics for the wording may be. Antisemitism existed way before most realise and Hitler wasn't even the worst anti-semite leader. Hadrian was along with many of his colleagues in power before or after him.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism
By ArthurTandy1
#15202173
Rich wrote::lol:

Jew haters gravitated towards the terms anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic, because they sounded a lot more intellectually credible than Jew haters. Zionists have insisted on using the terms not because they want to eliminate hatred of Jews but precisely because they want to sustain it. Hardcore Zionists know that they need hated of Jews without the Middle East to justify denial of human rights to Palestinians and they need hatred of Jews in the rest of the world to garner sympathy for Israel and to encourage more Jews to emigrate to Israel and help in the demographic struggle against the Muslims.



FACTS ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS

Palastine stuff


HAMAS DECLARED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

EU HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 60301.html

USA, UK
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13331522

OAS
https://www.oas.org/en/media_center/pre ... o=E-051/21

HAMAS CALLS FOR MURDER OF ALL JEWS


Facts about the Palestinians
https://tinyurl.com/y2jyc9qg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

There never was an independent country called Palestine

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/ ... dR4aNJXXG4

South Africans Denounce BDS Lies, Abandon BDS

https://observer.com/2017/04/south-afri ... nVPczH15cT
The Case against Palestine
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News ... BHv2MZf_KI

Right of Return-For Jews Only
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

USA Denounces BDS, vows action against BDS groups
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/internat ... t_-kcTUAKQ









https://groups.google.com/g/alt.revisio ... RJKMJ_n-UJ
By Rich
#15202205
ArthurTandy1 wrote:THAT'S A LIE

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism

:lol: My apologies I didn't realise I was talking to someone with learning difficulties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism wrote:Etymology

1879 statute of the Antisemitic League

The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in the responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes: "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]."[15] Avner Falk similarly writes: "The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816–1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how 'Semitic races' were inferior to 'Aryan races'".[16]
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By Wellsy
#15202308
Potemkin wrote:Indeed. Fascism is a reaction against the transition from a traditional rural-based society to a modern(ist) urban-based society. This also explains why fascism usually took an anti-semitic turn - the Jews were associated with modernity and urban living, and were perceived as being detached from the traditional rural values which the fascists held so dear. They were blamed for imposing modernity on the hapless rural nativist population, and resisting modernity required resisting the Jews. In nations with a negligible Jewish population of course, such as Italy, this anti-semitic turn did not occur, until Hitler insisted on it.

This also explains why fascism can’t get anywhere in Europe or the US now - the nations of Europe and North America have long ago completed the transition to modernity. That trauma is in the distant past. In Latin American, African or some Asian nations, of course, fascism is still alive and well and seen as a legitimate form of governance, precisely because that transition to modernity has not yet been completed.

This is quite complimentary in thinking of Fascism as reactionary while I see socialist projects and ideals being a kind of critique of modernity but wanting to build upon its perceived limitations.
That many liberal ideals, in spite of immediately being contradicted after the bourgeoisie revolutions, were worthy ones, it's just that capitalism has failed to live up to it and so we must push onwards to close the gap between the realized end and our ideal ends.
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By ckaihatsu
#15202313
Wellsy wrote:
This is quite complimentary in thinking of Fascism as reactionary while I see socialist projects and ideals being a kind of critique of modernity but wanting to build upon its perceived limitations.
That many liberal ideals, in spite of immediately being contradicted after the bourgeoisie revolutions, were worthy ones, it's just that capitalism has failed to live up to it and so we must push onwards to close the gap between the realized end and our ideal ends.



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By late
#15202315
Wellsy wrote:
This is quite complimentary in thinking of Fascism as reactionary while I see socialist projects and ideals being a kind of critique of modernity but wanting to build upon its perceived limitations.



Fascism isn't socialist. That's simply propaganda..

Actually, what you are calling socialist is an integral part of the transition to the Modern. The Modern philosophy is about adapting to change..
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By Potemkin
#15202316
Wellsy wrote:This is quite complimentary in thinking of Fascism as reactionary while I see socialist projects and ideals being a kind of critique of modernity but wanting to build upon its perceived limitations.
That many liberal ideals, in spite of immediately being contradicted after the bourgeoisie revolutions, were worthy ones, it's just that capitalism has failed to live up to it and so we must push onwards to close the gap between the realized end and our ideal ends.

Precisely. And the fascists do not believe in those ideals even as an abstract goal, seeing them merely as symptoms of "degeneracy" - rather as rural populations see anything the city-dwellers come up with as "degenerate". The proletariat, of course, are city-dwellers. This is why fascism is an ideology for lumpen peasants and landowners, while communism is an ideology for workers and urban intellectuals.
By ArthurTandy1
#15202688
ArthurTandy1 wrote:From The Merriam Webster Dictionary

Fascism is a form of government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler. Fascist governments are usually totalitarian and authoritarian one-party states. ... Three large fascist countries were Italy under Benito Mussolini, Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler, and Spain under Francisco Franco.



Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests.Oct 20, 2020

From CBS News
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By Godstud
#15202694
Yes, @ArthurTandy1, so pretty much like what Trump wanted.
By ArthurTandy1
#15202824
Godstud wrote:Yes, @ArthurTandy1, so pretty much like what Trump wanted.


I never saw Trump even mention fascism. You are delusional
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By ckaihatsu
#15202850
ArthurTandy1 wrote:
I never saw Trump even mention fascism. You are delusional




In comments made prior to voting to hold Meadows in contempt, ranking Republican member on the select committee Liz Cheney (R-WY) revealed a series of text messages in which Meadows received advice from Fox News personalities, urging him to convince Trump to call off the coup, thus implicitly acknowledging Trump’s leading role. The messages were part of about 6,600 pages of records and about 2,000 text messages Meadows turned over to the committee, prior to ceasing his cooperation.



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/1 ... p-d14.html
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By Deutschmania
#15204917
I agree with George Orwell's commentary on the meaning of fascism . https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc Especially this part of his essay .
It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.
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By ckaihatsu
#15204922
Deutschmania wrote:
I agree with George Orwell's commentary on the meaning of fascism . https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc Especially this part of his essay .



*Or*....


Potemkin wrote:
Precisely. And the fascists do not believe in those ideals even as an abstract goal, seeing them merely as symptoms of "degeneracy" - rather as rural populations see anything the city-dwellers come up with as "degenerate". The proletariat, of course, are city-dwellers. This is why fascism is an ideology for lumpen peasants and landowners, while communism is an ideology for workers and urban intellectuals.



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ArthurTandy1 wrote:Fascism is generally defined as a political movement that embraces far-right nationalism and the forceful suppression of any opposition, all overseen by an authoritarian government. Fascists strongly oppose Marxism, liberalism and democracy, and believe the state takes precedence over individual interests.Oct 20, 2020

From CBS News

True.

What also sucks about communism and fascism is that ignorant people take it to mean that all forms of socialism or nationalism are bad. That's obviously ridiculous. Communism and fascism take these 2 things to an extreme. There isn't much in this world that isn't harmful when taken to an extreme. It's like seeing an obese person with diabetes and heart disease and drawing the conclusion that all food is bad for you and everyone should stop eating.

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