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#15109383
I posted this link in the Election 2020 thread, due to the question of the impact of schools opening (or rather, not opening) on the election, but it really belongs here as well. So here’s what we currently know about kids in school and the Wuhan virus: School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks


Yes. And you did not read it. I quoted the salient points from your article in the election 2020 thread and won't do it here. I encourage everyone to read the comments from the Vanderbilt Epidemiologist. She, of course, points out exactly why it is not "safe" to reopen most US schools now.
#15109522
A new 50-nation study was published by the Lancet a few days ago, titled A country level analysis measuring the impact of government actions, country preparedness and socioeconomic factors on COVID-19 mortality and related health outcomes. The findings were:

    Increasing COVID-19 caseloads were associated with countries with higher obesity (adjusted rate ratio [RR]=1.06; 95%CI: 1.01–1.11), median population age (RR=1.10; 95%CI: 1.05–1.15) and longer time to border closures from the first reported case (RR=1.04; 95%CI: 1.01–1.08). Increased mortality per million was significantly associated with higher obesity prevalence (RR=1.12; 95%CI: 1.06–1.19) and per capita gross domestic product (GDP) (RR=1.03; 95%CI: 1.00–1.06). Reduced income dispersion reduced mortality (RR=0.88; 95%CI: 0.83–0.93) and the number of critical cases (RR=0.92; 95% CI: 0.87–0.97). Rapid border closures, full lockdowns, and wide-spread testing were not associated with COVID-19 mortality per million people. However, full lockdowns (RR=2.47: 95%CI: 1.08–5.64) and reduced country vulnerability to biological threats (i.e. high scores on the global health security scale for risk environment) (RR=1.55; 95%CI: 1.13–2.12) were significantly associated with increased patient recovery rates.
#15109804
1. So let me get this straight, there’s no cure for a virus that can be killed by sanitizer and hand soap?
2. Is it too early to put up the Christmas tree yet? I have run out of things to do.
3. When this virus thing is over with, I still want some of you to stay away from me.
4. If these last months have taught us anything, it’s that stupidity travels faster than any virus on the planet, particularly among politicians and bureaucrats.
5. Just wait a second – so what you're telling me is that my chance of surviving all this is directly linked to the common sense of others? You’re kidding, right?
6. People are scared of getting fined or arrested for congregating in crowds, as if catching a deadly disease and dying a horrible death wasn’t enough of a deterrent.
7. If you believe all this will end and we will get back to normal just because we reopen everything, raise your hand. Now slap yourself with it.
8. Another Saturday night in the house and I just realized the trash goes out more than me.
9. Whoever decided a liquor store is more essential than a hair salon is obviously a bald-headed alcoholic.
10. Remember when you were little and all your underwear had the days of the week on them. Those would be helpful right now.
11. The spread of Covid-19 is based on two factors: 1. How dense the population is and 2. How dense the population is.
12. Remember all those times when you wished the weekend would last forever? Well, wish granted. Happy now?
13. It may take a village to raise a child, but I swear it’s going to take a whole vineyard to home school one.
14. Did a big load of pajamas so I would have enough clean work clothes for this week.
#15109884
Medical Examiner's Office explains discrepancies in COVID-19 death tallies

Some Palm Beach County residents making public records requests for the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's Office's COVID-19 weekly death tallies noticed errors in the reports.

In eight instances of the over 580 deaths listed by mid-July, the cause of death was not COVID-19.

The list included a 60-year-old man who died of a gunshot wound to the head; several people who died of cancer, and one who died from a hip fracture following a fall.

The inclusion of those deaths worried some who said inflating the number of COVID-19 deaths was sending wrong information to the Florida Department of Health and to the County Commission.

https://www.wpbf.com/article/medical-ex ... s/33420066

One America News recently reported a person that tested positive for covid-19 was later killed in a motorcycle accident, but still listed as a covid-19 related death. Sounds like the radical left are trying to inflate the deaths from the China virus to scare the public to me.
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#15109885
Yes, @Hindsite, there will always be a few percentage points off the Covid-19 death numbers, but that doesn't discredit anything. That is a variation of less than 1.4%.

Doctors are not infallible.
#15109886
Godstud wrote:Yes, @Hindsite, there will always be a few percentage points off the Covid-19 death numbers, but that doesn't discredit anything. That is a variation of less than 1.4%.

Doctors are not infallible.

Maybe they are radical left-wing. That is my bet. :lol:
#15109887
Doctors are human, troll. They make mistakes. Their politics are not relevant, and probably not a factor of any kind.
#15109891
Author's note: Before you judge this post as a personal attack read all the way through. It is not at all that.

Clearly Hindsite is a far left person. If you look at the evidence you can clearly see it.

First look at his "name". Hindsite. This is one of two things. Either it is a simple mistake evidencing a lack of education....ooorrr...it is a clever clue. He claims to be an old man yet he uses a crack new take on the old, correct and might I even say conservative spelling "hindsight". I think he is signalling his new-age socialist friends that he is not what he says he is. And if that was not enough there is this..."Hindsite" has 8 letters. And what does Biblestudy.org say about the significance of the number 8, you ask. "The number 8 in the Bible represents a new beginning, meaning a new order" ..New Order? New World Order?

But there is more. He claims to be a Christian and that Christianity drives his moral compass. And can anyone here think of a more hard left individual than Christ? He makes Lenin look like a Pentecostal Truck Driver from Georgia. And while we are speaking of signaling, it is not lost on me that his Sig quoting an obviously sarcastic atheist Einstein is just virtue signaling to his real friends.

Now look at his last post. What city was he studying to get his information? West Palm Beach, Florida. He may want us to think he is all about Georgia, yet he is infatuated with West Palm Beach. A city, I might add, that voted democratic in the last five presidential elections and is almost 60% democrat. Now we are getting somewhere. Why did he pick that liberal bastion I wonder? :eh: This is a city that has more Jews than it does Methodists, Lutherans and Church of Christ combined!!! But that is not the real deal. Oh no. Obvious as that is, there is the little known fact that WPB sports only 37.2% of its population claiming to be "religious" at all. And, quite obviously from his own study of their covid statistics, a place of great interest to Hindsite.

And in the same post he quotes One America News. And if you go to their front page right this very moment, who is there? NANCY PELOSI! HA! Here it is!

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Oh he is a sly one. He almost had me fooled and I am a genius with a doctorate. But in the end we smoked him out. He got a little to cute with the West Palm Beach stuff and let the proverbial cat out of the bag. It was right there before our eyes all of the time.

Now. Some would say this is a personal attack or that I have drifted off topic. Not a bit of it. I post this because I think it will let all of us see that, although he keeps it a secret, Hindsite must be left wing, no Trump supporter, and if this is the case, far smarter than we are giving him credit for. He is, by creating an outrageous parody of a Southern, Veteran, Fundamentalist Christian, Conservative Trump supporter, actually forwarding a hard left agenda based upon making Trump supporters look very bad indeed.

Of Course Godstud was correct in pointing out that 'ole Hindsite was wrongly interpreting the results of that fine study but that is it you see. He was just following his very clever disguise.

Yup. He almost had me fooled. Way to go comrade Hindsite. As I am sure you know Marx famously said:

We develop new principles for the world out of the world’s own principles. We do not say to the world: Cease your struggles, they are foolish; we will give you the true slogan of struggle. We merely show the world what it is really fighting for, and consciousness is something that it has to acquire, even if it does not want to.


In new admiration for my fellow traveler Hindsite, I remain your obedient humble servant, RELee, DPH.
#15109901
Drlee wrote:In new admiration for my fellow traveler Hindsite, I remain your obedient humble servant, RELee, DPH.

Perhaps your crazy interpretation is due to a strong case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I don't know what else it could be. As a Christian, I wish you a full recovery to common sense conservatism and the willingness to accept the Trump of God. Vote Trump 2020.
Praise the Lord.
#15109915
It its true that when you look at the number of deaths, proportionally America hasn't done as well as Brazil under Jair Bolsonaro's leadership.
#15109921
Rich wrote:It its true that when you look at the number of deaths, proportionally America hasn't done as well as Brazil under Jair Bolsonaro's leadership.


Not true, the US is still ahead of Brazil, but it's a close race. If Trump were to lose the election, Bolsonaro has a good chance of killing more people than Trump.

https://www.casualhacker.net/covid19/#dth;rel;US;BR

But Bolsonaro will have a hard time catching up with Bojo.
#15109931
Atlantis wrote:Not true, the US is still ahead of Brazil, but it's a close race. If Trump were to lose the election, Bolsonaro has a good chance of killing more people than Trump.

https://www.casualhacker.net/covid19/#dth;rel;US;BR

But Bolsonaro will have a hard time catching up with Bojo.


I'd also say it's a tough call, considering that Bolsonaro managed to get himself infected but not killed.
#15109942
Atlantis wrote:Not true, the US is still ahead of Brazil, but it's a close race.


We can't let Brazil beat us.

EVeryone get out to your nearest bar!

We're #1, We're #1, We're #1,
#15109943
On a more serious post. I saw an interview with Fauci. He said that they are seeing many people lose their anti-bodies for the virus withing weeks of getting over their infection. I guess this suggests that immunity is short lived, which could mean the virus is hear to stay on a seasonal level. Kind of seems like our only hope is that it mutates to something less lethal like the HOng KOng Flu did. :hmm:

There's also a vaccine of course, but how well matched can that get, and is the immunity long lasting?
#15109965
Atlantis wrote:Not true, the US is still ahead of Brazil, but it's a close race. If Trump were to lose the election, Bolsonaro has a good chance of killing more people than Trump.

https://www.casualhacker.net/covid19/#dth;rel;US;BR

But Bolsonaro will have a hard time catching up with Bojo.

"casualhacker" says they've changed their data source on July 20, so probably isn't good for making extrapolations from. If you use the https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries info, the 7 day average for the 3 countries/1 million is, roughly, Brazil 5, USA 3, UK 1. If they were to continue like that, Brazil would need 23 days to overtake the USA, and 67 days to overtake the UK. Against that, Brazil's rate was steady for a long time, whereas the USA's has been rising for about 3 weeks. But I think it's more likely that Brazil will overtake the USA before the election than after. Unless either Brazil or the USA can get a grip in the next month.
#15109997
So here's where we stand this week. One change, I swapped out Japan for Mexico.

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#15110002
Drlee wrote:What is the message we are supposed to get from that chart?


8 to the top 10 States/Countries are in the US. Trump is winning by a large margin.

Rancid wrote:On a more serious post. I saw an interview with Fauci. He said that they are seeing many people lose their anti-bodies for the virus withing weeks of getting over their infection. I guess this suggests that immunity is short lived, which could mean the virus is hear to stay on a seasonal level.


There are a number of studies from the UK, Germany and China, which show that antibodies disappear after 2 to 3 months. That could suggest that there won't be any long-lasting immunity and that vaccines won't work, but immunity may still be achieved by T-cells attacking the virus.

The bottom line is that we don't know and that those pushing for herd immunity (@Rich, et al.) are prepared to sacrifice millions for an unproven theory.

Wise political leaders will act as if there won't be a vaccine. To hope for a miracle like Trump is highly irresponsible and an effective abandonment of government. There are numerous non-pharmaceutical ways of controlling the pandemic, but it requires "a whole of government, a whole of society effort" as the WHO put it a couple of months ago.

As the lockdown has shown, society is ready to do whatever it takes provided there is the right leadership. It is significant that those who profess to believe in some new sort of conservative values, in populism or in autocratic rule are also those who believe in miracle cures while favoring a type of government that is totally incapable of dealing with real-world problems. This is a mystery I still have to get my head around.
#15110005
As the lockdown has shown, society is ready to do whatever it takes provided there is the right leadership. It is significant that those who profess to believe in some new sort of conservative values, in populism or in autocratic rule are also those who believe in miracle cures while favoring a type of government that is totally incapable of dealing with real-world problems. This is a mystery I still have to get my head around.

What conservatism, populism and autocracy have in common is that they are all ideologies which tend to attract the kind of people who believe in magical thinking.
#15110006
Potemkin wrote:What conservatism, populism and autocracy have in common is that they are all ideologies which tend to attract the kind of people who believe in magical thinking.


What do you think all that stupid rah-rah-rah MAGA patriotic bullshit is about Potemkin? Magical thinking.

And it is not Gabriel Garcia Marquez' Realismo Magico, it is mythology based on superiority of race and nationality, American exceptionalism and how they are the winners in everything. It is a lack of realism and collective effort.

A House Divided is going to cause them a very hefty loss of power and money.
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