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By Brisket
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Male suicide scandal: UK men are paying for a system that drives thousands of them to death

Suicide is the leading cause of death of British men under 50 years of age. Over a quarter (26%) of men who die between the ages of 20 and 34 take their own lives, and 13% of deaths among men aged 35 to 49 are self-inflicted. The figures for women are 13% and 5% respectively.

The state is responsible – through its actions and inactions – for many of the crises that lead men to kill themselves. As a class, men have long suffered high levels of reactive depression, the form brought on by distressing life events. This is driving the relentlessly high male suicide rate, rather than long-term mental health issues.

In 2014 the government published a report, Preventing suicide in England: First Annual Report on the Cross-government Outcomes Strategy to Save Lives. Virtually no interest (let alone concern) is expressed in the report at the remarkably high rate of suicide among men.

When politicians are pressed on the male suicide rate, they generally (and callously) attribute the problem to men's disinclination to seek help for mental health issues in times of crisis. Politicians are victim-blaming.

They know – or should know – the "mental health issue" is generally reactive depression and all too often the only support available to men is talking, which won't help those denied access to children after family breakdowns, or those denied support as victims of domestic violence, or who who are homeless...

The male:female suicide rate differential was 1.7:1 in 1983 and steadily rose over the subsequent 30 years, reaching 3.5:1 in 2013. The prime reason was a steep decline in the number of women committing suicide. Nobody has suggested there was a major improvement in women's mental health over the period.

Disadvantaging of males begins at an early age. Life outcomes for boys deprived of a father active in their lives tend to be poor and the state has long been the architect of the destruction of the nuclear family.

About two-thirds of secondary school teachers are women and state schools are failing large numbers of boys. One in four boys is labelled as having special educational needs.

William Collins, an important blogger on men's issues, has suggested female teachers often give girls preferential treatment in school, for example by giving them higher grades for the same quality of work. This may be why so many boys are demotivated at school; today, three out of five university students are female and 70% of medical students are women.

Collins has written about the "gender education gap", which emerged after the introduction of continuous assessment by teachers in 1987-88. The state education system is permanently blighting many boys' lives.
Huge amounts of taxpayers' money has been spent over decades 'encouraging' women into traditionally male-dominated professions, notably those relating to STEMM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and Medicine). The state is spending £30m "encouraging" women into engineering alone. Female engineering MSc students at Brunel are entitled to sponsorship of £22,750 denied to their male colleagues.
Taxpayers' money is not being spent "encouraging" men into female-dominated professions, although male unemployment has long been higher than female unemployment, and unemployment is known to be a major driver of male suicide, but not female suicide.
Two thirds of public sector employees are women, yet the Equality Act 2010 is designed to prioritise females over males in recruitment and promotion terms. It's termed "positive action" in the Act but it's positive discrimination in all but name.

The Athena SWAN initiative is designed to preference women over men in appointments to research posts in STEMM subjects. This is a state-funded assault on men wishing to pursue scientific careers.

Following divorce, the suicide rate of men is nine times higher than the suicide rate of women. This is sometimes the result of financial devastation, but more often the result of denial of access to children.

The link between denying fathers access to children and reactive depression – and therefore suicide – is an obvious one. When in opposition, politicians promise fathers' rights groups they will resolve the problem once in office but renege on the promise once in power.


But do you even care?
By layman
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I agree it is “strange” that there is no criticism of feminized schools and the evidence that female teachers are unfair to male pupils. On average they do mark them worse for the same work, as punishment for behaviour it is suggested.

All additional moneys allocated to “female only” or specific ethnic groups should all be removed. It is disgusting giving these groups special privileges at the tax payers expense..
By Decky
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I love how the mens right lot are always the most pathetic example of men you could ever find.
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It does kind of explain how they could believe that women are actually in power over men and that men are oppressed for being men even though we live in an outright patriarchy. Because loser men certainly do get a shit deal from patriarchy.
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Successful suicides may be more common in men than women, but women are more likely to ATTEMPT suicide than men. In other words, men aren't necessarily more depressed in today's society than women, and may be actually less depressed. All this fact really tells us is that this is yet another thing that men are better at than women.

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By Brisket
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Dagoth Ur wrote:British men are killing themselves en masse apparently and the first angle these people can come up with is it is women's fault? Wow that is just pathetic.


What's your explanation?


Brother of Karl wrote:Successful suicides may be more common in men than women, but women are more likely to ATTEMPT suicide than men. In other words, men aren't necessarily more depressed in today's society than women, and may be actually less depressed. All this fact really tells us is that this is yet another thing that men are better at than women.


Men are more competent, what's new?
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By Potemkin
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Men are more competent, what's new?

All it suggests is that men are, on average, more aggressive than women; suicide being, after all, an act of aggression against oneself. Men simply tend to be better at violence than women, even when that violence is against oneself.
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By kobe
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Brother of Karl wrote:Successful suicides may be more common in men than women, but women are more likely to ATTEMPT suicide than men. In other words, men aren't necessarily more depressed in today's society than women, and may be actually less depressed. All this fact really tells us is that this is yet another thing that men are better at than women.

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This is a travesty indeed. We need to socialize euthanasia so that we ccan have true equality between the sexes. No woman should suffer a life she wishes not to live. Truly this is all the fault of the capitalist patriarchy.
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William Collins, an important blogger on men's issues, has suggested female teachers often give girls preferential treatment in school, for example by giving them higher grades for the same quality of work. This may be why so many boys are demotivated at school; today, three out of five university students are female and 70% of medical students are women.


First, this is some find academic citing right here. An important blogger said something, so let's give it weight.

Second, this is horseshit.
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By kobe
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TIG I have seen those studies. They cite things like "keeping still" and "paying attention" as skills that favor young girls.

http://www.nea.org/home/44609.htm
Let boys be active. I often do small group instruction on a large floor rug. When boys lounged or fidgeted, I used to tell them to “Sit up! Pay attention and make sure your eyes are on me.” I’ve loosened my expectations on requiring students to be stationery. The bottom line is that they get their work done.
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First, I can find two studies for every one you produce that say that boys are favored to girls in school.

Second, that's not really what the OP says.

Third...Well, this is the most important thing and it may not be popular, but here goes:

Man the fuck up. I'm addressing this to Men's Rights Activists and the other theoretical movements that are out there on the internet, not to anyone in particular.

Yes, I used a gendered word there. Man the fuck up.

You think your teacher is being nicer to Susie than to you? Man the fuck up.

You think that people aren't interested enough in man having a higher suicide rate than women? Man the fuck up.

A politician says that men don't get enough mental health? Man the fuck up.

You imagine that the state, for no reason at all, wants to destroy the nuclear family? Fine. But man the fuck up.

One in four boys gets special education? Boo-hoo, man the fuck up.

Women are encouraged to go into STEMM? This is actually a problem. Wait, no it's not, man the fuck up.

Public sector employees lean slightly female? How about a pity party? Or you can man the fuck up.

You get where I'm going here.

Men had all the rights for millennia. Now you have to compete with women at some level, so you're going to sit in the corner and suck your thumb and whine endlessly about how all unfair it is. Sure, the woman you're competing against will make less money for doing the same work, and has a far higher rate to be sexually assaulted, but she at least mans the fuck up better than the MRA princesses.

At some weird point in history, right-leaning chauvinists decided that the best thing to do was to become the whiniest bitch in the room. Roll your sleeves up and be the best chauvinist you can be. Fucking show everybody your worth, don't grovel about how unfair life is.

Man the fuck up.
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Suicide is, or at least can be, a rational response to to an untenable life situation. There is basically an excess number of men in the UK (and many other places) for whom there will never be a useful social or economic role. We no longer have the epic wars (WWI) that wipe out an entire generation, so men are left to accomplish it on an individual level.

Auto-euthanasia is simply an appropriate reaction to an accurate reading of one's worth.
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By kobe
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Quetzalcoatl, was that post a cry for help? Are you trying to tell us something?

Depression is usually not rational because it is often accompanied by a mental disorder. Unless you find rationality in mental disorders your line of logic doesn't make sense.
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kobe wrote:Quetzalcoatl, was that post a cry for help?

No

Depression is usually not rational because it is often accompanied by a mental disorder. Unless you find rationality in mental disorders your line of logic doesn't make sense.


Unless you believe mental illness is a viral infection that can rise to pandemic proportions, then the illness theory of suicide cannot fully explain any sudden rise in the number of suicides. For you, life has intrinsic worth, because you see your life as intrinsically worthy. In people for whom this is not the case, such a calculation would support a far different conclusion. Existential despair is not the same thing as depression, although they can occur in the same person.

For most humans self worth is not exclusively self-defined; it is also defined by the social roles one fills. So suicide is not just a mental illness, it is a social process. That is to say, a way for society to isolate and eliminate its waste products.
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By Brisket
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The Immortal Goon wrote:First, I can find two studies for every one you produce that say that boys are favored to girls in school.


Go on then. Otherwise you're just eating shit.

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