[Hindsite]

And the universe centers around you.

Hallelujah! You're so important!

No. I am just an average guy, who has worked hard to be set for life.

Thank the Lord.
HalleluYah

[Suntzu]

lol

Trump's anecdotes are always legit. Doctors are rising up as a group! They're quitting because reasons!

Yep, doctors in the U.S. make about twice what they do anywhere else. Notice all these foreign doctors. Why do you figure they are here?

[Godstud]

Trumpcare is by Trump., If he thinks he's going to pawn this off on Ryan, he has another things coming!

President Trump helped write embattled Obamacare replacement bill, Speaker Ryan says as he defends plan
"Obviously, the major components are staying intact, because this is something we wrote with President Trump, this is something we wrote with the Senate committee," Ryan said.

"This is the plan we ran on all of last year."
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/trump-he ... -says.html

Sorry, but this is Trump's fucking baby! Trying to blame it on Ryan is just bullshit, and another defensive measure of Trumpsters everywhere.

Why are you defending this liar? WTF is wrong with you?!

[Zagadka]

Yep, doctors in the U.S. make about twice what they do anywhere else.

Yes, you can judge the effectiveness of a healthcare platform by how much the doctors make.

And people wonder why American healthcare costs several times more than every other country.

[Suntzu]

Yes, you can judge the effectiveness of a healthcare platform by how much the doctors make.

And people wonder why American healthcare costs several times more than every other country.

Yep, and an MRI in the US costs about twice as much as one in Germany. Fix the system and then worry about how to pay for it.

[Hindsite]

Yes, you can judge the effectiveness of a healthcare platform by how much the doctors make.

And people wonder why American healthcare costs several times more than every other country.

I believe at least part of the problem is with the cost of Medical education and training. Doctors need to charge enough to pay off their student loans in a reasonable time period. This obviously increases healthcare cost for everyone.

Then there is the minimum wage laws that has the effect of raising all wages.

Certain regulations increase the cost of research and development of new medications and medical devices within the USA, which the whole world benefits. To recoup their costs the medical companies charge more to citizens of the USA than to those abroad.

There are probably other reasons that I haven't thought of at the moment.

[Suntzu]

Yeah, the cost of medical education, labor, etc. is twice as much in the U.S. as it is in Germany.

[Godstud]

I believe at least part of the problem is with the cost of Medical education and training.

Yes, America's education system is shit, and overly expensive.

Then there is the minimum wage laws that has the effect of raising all wages.

I'm sorry, but that's a bold-faced lie. Who is feeding you this bullshit? Stop listening. They're only testing it in a few places, for one thing.
A year in, ‘the sky is not falling’ from Seattle’s minimum-wage hike
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/ec ... wage-hike/

Certain regulations increase the cost of research and development of new medications and medical devices within the USA, which the whole world benefits. To recoup their costs the medical companies charge more to citizens of the USA than to those abroad.

That's some more bullshit there. Big pharma actually charges the government for research, and those medical devices/medication are CHEAPER when you go abroad.

Here's one of the problems...
Is The Profit Motive Ruining American Healthcare?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterubel/ ... 7ccb3137b9


Also, regulations are there so that untested drugs don't get out there and kill people. The FDA and regulations are there for real reasons. Surely you've heard of this:
THE THALIDOMIDE TRAGEDY: LESSONS FOR DRUG SAFETY AND REGULATION
https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/ ... regulation

Who deluded you into thinking drug companies aren't making $billions in profits?
Pharmaceutical industry gets high on fat profits

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223

2016 Global 2000: The World's Largest Drug And Biotech Companies
Johnson & Johnson also manufactures more complex medical devices across the healthcare spectrum for patients with diseases like diabetes and cancer. Over the 12 months to April 22, when Global 2000 data was locked in, J&J generated $70.2 billion in revenue, $15.4 billion in profits and its market capitalization stood at $312.6 billion.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/corinnejur ... 918471cf19

[MistyTiger]

We really haven't seen TrumpCare. This Ryan Healthcare plan is not that. As you know, Trump can not actually fire an elected representative of the people, but he could make it more difficult for Ryan to be re-elected.

I know he cannot fire Ryan. I was trying to make a joke.

Trump does not have enough support in the GOP, he is not a true Republican. Ryan is a true GOP boy and as such, he has more support than Trump has in his pinky. If push comes to shove, I think the GOP will support Ryan and make things interesting for Trump. At any moment, the GOP can decide to push Trump over the cliff, he should not get too comfy on his perch.

[Ter]

I read years ago that one reason, the main reason, that doctor's fees are so high in the US is because their insurance premiums are sky high, to insure them against malpractice suits.

Pharmaceutical companies practice "dynamic pricing". Countries where the patients have medical insurance or where they can afford it, medicines are very costly. The governments help the pharma industries by prohibiting "grey" "parallel" imports of cheaper medicine.

Patients in the US are screwed.

[Hindsite]

I know he cannot fire Ryan. I was trying to make a joke.

Trump does not have enough support in the GOP, he is not a true Republican. Ryan is a true GOP boy and as such, he has more support than Trump has in his pinky. If push comes to shove, I think the GOP will support Ryan and make things interesting for Trump. At any moment, the GOP can decide to push Trump over the cliff, he should not get too comfy on his perch.

Did you hear that Trump had Ryan and some others in for a talk and they agreed to change some things to make it more agreeable?
I told you he would use the Art of the Deal on them.

[Hindsite]

I read years ago that one reason, the main reason, that doctor's fees are so high in the US is because their insurance premiums are sky high, to insure them against malpractice suits.

Pharmaceutical companies practice "dynamic pricing". Countries where the patients have medical insurance or where they can afford it, medicines are very costly. The governments help the pharma industries by prohibiting "grey" "parallel" imports of cheaper medicine.

Patients in the US are screwed.

That's still true. The doctors must protect themselves from malpractice suits by buying expensive insurance that will cover judgments in the millions of dollars.

[Suntzu]

Medical malpractice only accounts for 2.5% of U.S. healthcare costs.

[Godstud]

What Suntzu says is true.

The True Cost Of Medical Malpractice - It May Surprise You
The amount comprises 2.4% of the nation’s total health care expenditure.

The numbers are the result of a Harvard School of Public Health study published in the September edition of Health Affairs, purporting to be the most reliable estimate of malpractice costs to date.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/ ... 1b8912ff5b

Malpractice in Canada is about 1/4 that of the US has, as well(so around 0.6%).

[MistyTiger]

Did you hear that Trump had Ryan and some others in for a talk and they agreed to change some things to make it more agreeable?
I told you he would use the Art of the Deal on them.

There is a chance that they are lying to try to calm him down. Despite his dealmaking abilities, he is still not a true ultra right or neocon. It is like he is not a full fraternity member and I do not think he ever will be. Perhaps the membership is hard to attain for someone who does not care about anyone else except himself.

[Hindsite]

There is a chance that they are lying to try to calm him down. Despite his dealmaking abilities, he is still not a true ultra right or neocon. It is like he is not a full fraternity member and I do not think he ever will be. Perhaps the membership is hard to attain for someone who does not care about anyone else except himself.

You have a point, but the establishment still need him to sign any bill into law. They just can't do anything they want without convincing Trump that it is the best they can do. Ryan has said they can't get everything in this first bill because of the Byrd Rule.

[Stormsmith]

Malpractice in Canada is about 1/4 that of the US has, as well(so around 0.6%).

This is a built in percent of the single payer system. If it goes to court, the jurists face two issues

1. If this happened to me, what would be fair?

2. As a taxpayer, how much will this hurt?

[Hindsite]

This is a built in percent of the single payer system. If it goes to court, the jurists face two issues

1. If this happened to me, what would be fair?

2. As a taxpayer, how much will this hurt?

Do they pay taxes in Canada?
The way they talk, i thought everything was free.

[MistyTiger]

Do they pay taxes in Canada?
The way they talk, i thought everything was free.

Depends on who is doing the talking. The Americans who wish they were Canadian will only focus on the pros of living in Canada.

[jimjam]

Any realistic Republican health plan has to focus on providing less coverage for the poor, and big tax benefits for the rich. When millions of people lose health care, that’s when a country is great again!. God forbid rich folks should be taxed one red cent to help the poor, the helpless or old folks with no money. That smacks of socialism.