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The Immortal Goon wrote:Assuming that the, "facts," are that colleges are unemployment agencies, professors are small business owners, and students should be less focused on information and focus on shilling jobs.

I must admit, I'm always a little impressed with how easily right-wingers can transition into a magical fairy land where actual reality doesn't matter.

Let me try:

Of course being proven wrong only proves my point. If a professor finds just one student to windup seizing the means of production who turns out to be a valuable revolutionary leader, that would be worth a lot of power to the Soviets.

Therefore even if the professor was paid a billion dollars an hour to do the teaching job, or even was president of the United States, still there is vastly more glorious potential to him and his band of revolutionaries in the recruitment process than just a professor's salary.

So one way or the other, college professors are proving that communism is inevitable...it makes way too much sense my view considering all the facts.


Oh, to be a right-winger and not have to worry about pesky reality...


I stated reality. It is leftists such as you who choose to ignore or distort the facts which get in the way of their socialist/marxist narrative.

I have a lot of business experience. What business experience do you have other than reading about what Marx stated about capitalism in your most beloved book the Communist Manifesto?
#14798014
Stephen50Right wrote:I have a lot of business experience.


Do you have any educational experience? I'm assuming you do, but one would be forgiven for not thinking so based on your interpretation of college being a network of private businessmen looking for employees completely divorced from academics.

What I think is interesting, really, is the attempt to change the nature of a university to try and underline your point. This isn't always a bad tactic when using it as an example, but the fact you're sticking by your gross distortion without even attempting to defend it is interesting.

Stephen50Right wrote:What business experience do you have other than reading about what Marx stated


Oh, I don't have a business where I read Marx. I do it because I'll read about anything, and I like Marx.

Stephen50Right wrote:Marx stated about capitalism in your most beloved book the Communist Manifesto?


Oh, the Manifesto of the Communist Party isn't really a book as much as a political pamphlet. And it wouldn't be my favorite book anyway. Not even my favorite piece by Marx.
#14798041
It means if you compare the average lifetime earning of all the folks with four year degrees to the average lifetime earnings of all folks with high school diplomas, the average for four year degree folks will be one million dollars higher. 8)
#14798045
Suntzu wrote:It means if you compare the average lifetime earning of all the folks with four year degrees to the average lifetime earnings of all folks with high school diplomas, the average for four year degree folks will be one million dollars higher. 8)


Yeah but there are probably confounding variables here.

stephen50right wrote:I have a lot of business experience.


That's OK but—not pointing any fingers here as such—people can do this and still manage to be hideously unintelligent.
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The Immortal Goon wrote:Do you have any educational experience? I'm assuming you do, but one would be forgiven for not thinking so based on your interpretation of college being a network of private businessmen looking for employees completely divorced from academics.

What I think is interesting, really, is the attempt to change the nature of a university to try and underline your point. This isn't always a bad tactic when using it as an example, but the fact you're sticking by your gross distortion without even attempting to defend it is interesting.



Oh, I don't have a business where I read Marx. I do it because I'll read about anything, and I like Marx.



Oh, the Manifesto of the Communist Party isn't really a book as much as a political pamphlet. And it wouldn't be my favorite book anyway. Not even my favorite piece by Marx.


<<< your interpretation of college being a network of private businessmen looking for employees completely divorced from academics. >>>

It's simply astonishing how you come to a conclusion such as that?

The twisted mind of a leftist truly is outlandish in which your type are fine at doing things such as making Hollywood movies and writing hit songs. Which are splendid endeavors whereby a deviate imagination is actually beneficial for success. However leftists should never be in charge of government. They cannot properly grasp the realities of the world, especially with business and the economy, and they prove this time and time again.

Schools are filled with leftist professors who are there "teaching" because they cannot succeed in the world of private sector business. Most businesses retrain their recent college graduate employees anyway after hiring them.

I highly recommend internships in the private sector during college whenever possible for the best chance of landing a good paying job after graduation.
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stephen50right wrote:Schools are filled with leftist professors who are there "teaching" because they cannot succeed in the world of private sector business.


Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they'd be bad at it, but they didn't want to do it anyway; they like teaching. Lots of possibilities. And generally speaking if you have a PhD or the like you have a high IQ, and IQ is strongly predictive of career performance in general, not just in academia.

But whatever their business acumen might or might not be, it's not everyone who (for example) can grasp the P vs. NP problem either. I'd be very surprised if such knowledge were common among people whose major talking point that they love going on and on about is how long they've been in business.
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stephen50right wrote:It's simply astonishing how you come to a conclusion such as that? [your caracterization of "college being a network of private businessmen looking for employees completely divorced from academics]


Here you go:

Stephen50right wrote:If [a professor] finds just one student to windup working for his accounting firm who turns out to be a valuable employee, that would be worth a lot of money to the firm.

Therefore even if he was paid less than minimum wage for the teaching job, or even no salary at all, still there is vastly more monetary potential to him and his firm in the recruitment process than just a professor's salary.


Leftists should never be in charge of government. THey cannot properly grasp the realities of the world, especially with business and the economy, and they prove this time and time again.


I'm not the one that changed reality so that college is a low budge career fair to try and pry my foot out of my mouth :lol:

I highly recommend internships in the private sector during college whenever possible for the best chance of landing a good paying job after graduation.


I highly recommend you try to get a job at your professor's small business since he's a small businessman that is getting paid to do nothing from the college but to recruit employees :excited:

But really, this is some late stage capitalism.
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Perkwunos wrote:Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they'd be bad at it, but they didn't want to do it anyway; they like teaching. Lots of possibilities. And generally speaking if you have a PhD or the like you have a high IQ, and IQ is strongly predictive of career performance in general, not just in academia.

But whatever their business acumen might or might not be, it's not everyone who (for example) can grasp the P vs. NP problem either. I'd be very surprised if such knowledge were common among people whose major talking point that they love going on and on about is how long they've been in business.


For sure, mostly it's "maybe not" or definitely not. In their classroom, the profs can be their own little dictator and have basically total control over their students who must obey. It's like the profs can have their very own personal left wing dictatorship, and get vastly overpaid for doing it.

Nobody is saying that profs are stupid, but like most leftists they lack the people skills necessary to get along and work as a team in the business world. Many of them are condescending and arrogant if their viewpoints are questioned, and those types usually get themselves fired in business, unless they are the company owner's idiot son or something like that.

Profs are mostly functionally incapable of keeping a real job in the private sector. They would probably be the first ones to admit all this, and with pride, as they laugh all the way to the bank, with tenured positions which even if their leftist behavior becomes awfully bad, it is still difficult to fire them.
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College degrees are a barrier to entry in a lot of professions. They are becoming devalued as a result, but not worthless at all. In fact a better way to put it is that college degrees are becoming obligatory, not worthless. Yeah, you can learn the same things without going to college, but that's not the point. The point is, can you dedicate yourself to this tremendous accomplishment that is a diploma? If not, some companies simply will not give you a serious look.

Another aspect of college that tends to be ignored by this type of logic OP has espoused is that it is a great place to meet business contacts, future colleagues, future employers, gain access to internships, etc that are all a part of the value of college if you bother to take advantage of them. Sure you can go through college not doing those things, but that sounds like a personal problem to me.

@stephen50right and business people tend to lack the skills to succeed as professors. It's almost like two different specialties are going to attract two different types of people with two different sets of skills. :eek:
#14798121
LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX wrote:College degrees are a barrier to entry in a lot of professions. They are becoming devalued as a result, but not worthless at all. In fact a better way to put it is that college degrees are becoming obligatory, not worthless. Yeah, you can learn the same things without going to college, but that's not the point. The point is, can you dedicate yourself to this tremendous accomplishment that is a diploma? If not, some companies simply will not give you a serious look.

Another aspect of college that tends to be ignored by this type of logic OP has espoused is that it is a great place to meet business contacts, future colleagues, future employers, gain access to internships, etc that are all a part of the value of college if you bother to take advantage of them. Sure you can go through college not doing those things, but that sounds like a personal problem to me.

@stephen50right and business people tend to lack the skills to succeed as professors. It's almost like two different specialties are going to attract two different types of people with two different sets of skills. :eek:


<<< @stephen50right[/usermention] and business people tend to lack the skills to succeed as professors. >>>

Now that's a very interesting point. I have to agree with ya. ;)
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stephen50right wrote:Nobody is saying that profs are stupid, but like most leftists they lack the people skills necessary to get along and work as a team in the business world. Many of them are condescending and arrogant if their viewpoints are questioned, and those types usually get themselves fired in business


If the people I've come across who made a big deal out of their business escapades are any guide, condescension and arrogance appear to get you far.

The only difference is that their priceless pearls of wisdom don't seem to come from years of intensive study of a subject matter, but from, well, maybe a picture says it best:

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I don't know how soon automation is going to replace these people outright. But it is uplifting to know that some such managerial positions are already being affected and, if they can't be replaced immediately, they can at least feel the pinch.
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Perkwunos wrote:If the people I've come across who made a big deal out of their business escapades are any guide, condescension and arrogance appear to get you far.

The only difference is that their priceless pearls of wisdom don't seem to come from years of intensive study of a subject matter, but from, well, maybe a picture says it best:

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I don't know how soon automation is going to replace these people outright. But it is uplifting to know that some such managerial positions are already being affected and, if they can't be replaced immediately, they can at least feel the pinch.


Your extreme ignorance about the world of business is obvious, but you are to be applauded for your superb copy and paste skills - simply magnificent.

You would make for an outstanding professor at a Democratic Party proposed, government run community college, and teach your copy and paste skills to the students...and then perhaps also teach them how to spell their own names correctly, unless the college frowns on things such as education.
#14798233
Perkwunos wrote:When people speak of "late-stage capitalism", when are they forecasting its replacement?


Typically it's shorthand for a variety of things that, basically, comes down to the idea that the postwar style of capitalism that we're experiencing is more or less artificially propped up to keep working.

But, on an even more surface level in which I intended to use it, it's shorthand for the cracks showing in the system as it exists. For instance, products like this:

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I'll note that Stephen50right has moved from defending an intellectual position to ranting and raving about the feelings he has. The modern rightist, ladies and gentlemen.
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stephen50right wrote:Your extreme ignorance about the world of business is obvious, but you are to be applauded for your superb copy and paste skills - simply magnificent.

You would make for an outstanding professor at a Democratic Party proposed, government run community college, and teach your copy and paste skills to the students...and then perhaps also teach them how to spell their own names correctly, unless the college frowns on things such as education.


Looks like you want to compare our skills. OK. What programming languages do you know?
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Perkwunos wrote:Looks you want to compare our skills. OK. What programming languages do you know?



Looks like you want to begin a Monty Python skit. Sorry, I'm not interested. Please stick to the topic.

BTW:

<<< Looks you want to compare our skills. >>>

Obviously grammar is not one of your skills. :lol:
#14798419
stephen50right wrote:Obviously grammar is not one of your skills. :lol:


If you use grammar flames, you likely don't have much of a case. I have noticed that people who like going on and on about their business experience complain of how students aren't learning anything of value while priding themselves on their own talents. Often they contrast their "hard", "useful" knowledge with "soft", "useless" knowledge putatively being learned by college students. Nevertheless, I have most often found these people very deficient in knowledge of STEM topics. So I'm going to repeat my earlier question of "what programming languages do you know?" and add to it the more general question of "how numerate are you?"

The Immortal Goon wrote:Typically it's shorthand for a variety of things that, basically, comes down to the idea that the postwar style of capitalism that we're experiencing is more or less artificially propped up to keep working.


This would suggest imminent collapse. When can we expect it?
#14798478
I am confused by the idea of a businessman needing skills. What skills do you need to sit behind a desk and do nothing while working class people below you do all the work and produce all of the profit?

Isn't it just all perving on pretty secretaries and drinking in the day? What do people in business actually do? You could prop a corpse up behind the desk and no one would notice until it started to smell. This isn't true for people with real jobs like train drivers and dinner ladies and bricklayers and gardeners and cleaners etc. If they vanished the world would be a worse place.

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