[Agent Steel]

So yeah, I tried posing this question on a Facebook group but they didn't allow it cause I guess they thought it was silly or perhaps a troll post.

But honestly, I am kind of confused about this.

Pretty much everyone agrees that masturbation is a normal and healthy activity. But, apparently masturbation suddenly stops being a healthy activity when it's done while watching porn. Why?

When people masturbate they create fantasies in own their heads, do they not? And these fantasies could literally involve anything.

So why is it that they say watching porn is bad for you since it gives you a false sense of reality? As if the things you already imagine in your head aren't also a false sense of reality? How does that work?

[skinster]

[Agent Steel]

Wow, I honestly don't think this woman knows what the hell she's talking about. Porn makes hate not love? Really? She really comes off as a person who has done absolutely zero research about this topic. Just wow.

[Suntzu]

If God had wanted people to be naked He wouldn't have created clothes.

Every sperm is sacred!

[skinster]

Wow, I honestly don't think this woman knows what the hell she's talking about. Porn makes hate not love? Really? She really comes off as a person who has done absolutely zero research about this topic. Just wow.

Gail Dines is professor emerita of sociology and women's studies at Wheelock College in Boston, Massachusetts.[2]

A radical feminist, Dines specializes in the study of pornography.[2] Described in 2010 as the world's leading anti-pornography campaigner,[3] she is a founding member of Stop Porn Culture and founder of Culture Reframed, created to address pornography as a public-health crisis.[2][4] Dines is co-author of Pornography: The Production and Consumption of Inequality (1997) and author of Pornland: How Porn Has Hijacked Our Sexuality (2010).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_Dines

at you thinking porn has anything to do with love, or even sex.

[MistyTiger]

It is unhealthy because it means that the watcher is enjoying an act that is exploiting the men and women on camera. In other words, you get thrills from other people's suffering and pain.

It would be healthy if you watched a film about dogs that led to better conditions at an animal shelter. But with porn, the industry never changes, the young and poor are trapped in the life. How many actually leave the life alive or with their souls and minds intact?

[Suntzu]

It is unhealthy because it means that the watcher is enjoying an act that is exploiting the men and women on camera. In other words, you get thrills from other people's suffering and pain.

It would be healthy if you watched a film about dogs that led to better conditions at an animal shelter. But with porn, the industry never changes, the young and poor are trapped in the life. How many actually leave the life alive or with their souls and minds intact?

If folks are suffering and in pain having sex they are doin' it wrong.

[Agent Steel]

What Gail Dines talks about in her lectures does not describe my experience with porn WHATSOEVER. I can't speak for other men, but for me there's honestly not a single thing she said that I find relatable. She's utterly and completely full of shit, I'm sorry.

[Godstud]

It is unhealthy because it means that the watcher is enjoying an act that is exploiting the men and women on camera.

You think that's what they are thinking when they are watching it? They are watching two humans having sex. That's it. You, and this sociologist, are reading too much into it.

Sure, the industry can be bad, and no one is denying that, but telling us what individuals think while watching it, is absolute rubbish.

[Agent Steel]

Thank you Godstud. I don't usually agree with you, but here I definitely do.

[Pants-of-dog]

@MistyTiger was not discussing what was going in the mind of the viewer. Instead, MT was pointing out that the performers are exploited. And if someone is watching it and enjoying it (which s the point of watching porn) , they are enjoying the act of watching someone being exploited.

This is true even if the person watching is not aware of the exploitation.

Also, most porn depicts very unrealistic sex. If it conditions you to think that most sex is like that, that would also be unhealthy for your relationships.

[Godstud]

they are enjoying the act of watching someone being exploited.

Can you provide a source showing that all porn is exploitation? I highly doubt that you can make that generalization, or that people engaging in porn are being exploited.

Also, most porn depicts very unrealistic sex. If it conditions you to think that most sex is like that, that would also be unhealthy for your relationships.

According to who? Sex is very subjective. You cannot make that kind of generalization, with any sort of accuracy. You cannot make the assumption that it's unhealthy for your relationship, either, since the kinds of sex are as diverse as the kinds of people engaging in it. Everyone has their own "thing".

[Sivad]

We need anonymous age verification for accessing porn sites. It's crazy that we allow our children free access to that fucking smut. My nephew is about to hit puberty and I have no idea how I'm going to keep him away from porn.


This seems like a pretty simple solution:

the BBFC suggested that a system of gift card-like vouchers, purchased in person with ages checked by the retailer (similarly to other typically age-restricted purchases such as alcohol) would provide a more anonymous and secure solution to age verification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_verif ... em#Methods

[Godstud]

We need anonymous age verification for accessing porn sites. It's crazy that we allow our children free access to that fucking smut. My nephew is about to hit puberty and I have no idea how I'm going to keep him away from porn.

No, we don't need age verification so that we lose even more privacy online.

There is, literally, hundreds of web programs to prevent your kids from going to those kinds of sites, and paying attention to what your kid does, helps a lot. I'm not concerned because, as a parent, I'm going to watch what my child does. Supervising their internet activities is just a part of good parenting.

This seems like a pretty simple solution:

Yes, there is. Be a good parent. Watch what your child looks at.

I don't want to lose even more privacy just for people who don't want to watch what their children does, or are too lazy to do so. Supervise their activities online. It's not that hard.

Here:
https://www.netnanny.com/

[ccdan]

It is unhealthy because it means that the watcher is enjoying an act that is exploiting the men and women on camera. In other words, you get thrills from other people's suffering and pain.

The only "exploitation" and "suffering" and "pain" related to the vast majority of porn is strictly in the heads of people like you. In actual reality porn actors are happy because they get paid well and sometimes even enjoy the stuff they're doing.

[Sivad]

No, we don't need age verification so that we lose even more privacy online.

So what's the problem with anonymous age verification?

[ccdan]

We need anonymous age verification for accessing porn sites. It's crazy that we allow our children free access to that fucking smut. My nephew is about to hit puberty and I have no idea how I'm going to keep him away from porn.

No, children who hit puberty are no longer exactly children and should be allowed to watch porn and even to have sex. That's why in some countries there's sex ed. even before they even hit puberty - so that they're well prepared for that moment. The current idea popular in countries like the US that they should be prevented from accessing xxx material or that they should refrain from sex, is just idiotic and backward prudeness.

[Sivad]

children should be allowed to watch porn

Okay then.

[Godstud]

So what's the problem with anonymous age verification?

So you mean hitting that button that asks you if you're over 18? Ok. I'm fine with that.

What I am not fine is giving my personal information to any company just so your little monsters don't surf for porn.

[ccdan]

Okay then.

No problem, really. The only problem - if there is one - is in the heads of the prudes.