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Libertarian353 wrote:I'm Ancap, who's name Sammy Wolff. God, Guns, and Bacon. Anti-trump, anti-republican. Down with the state.


Interesting. I'm a former libertarian myself.

I am currently an Imperial Monarchist and Christian Nationalist. Pleasure to meet you. My wife is new too. Good luck.
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By Potemkin
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Interesting. I'm a former libertarian myself.

I am currently an Imperial Monarchist and Christian Nationalist.

A natural progression, I think. :)
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Potemkin wrote:A natural progression, I think.


Spoken like a true Stalinist. I suppose it arose from the internal conflict of bourgeois sub-classes within myself. ;)
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:I am currently an Imperial Monarchist and Christian Nationalist. Pleasure to meet you. My wife is new too. Good luck.


So you're imperialist swine violating the NAP. Also you can't be a Christian and an Nationalist, that's oxymoron. But please to meet you.
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By Potemkin
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It must be interesting to meet an unevolved version of oneself, eh VS? ;)
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Libertarian353 wrote:So you're imperialist swine violating the NAP. Also you can't be a Christian and an Nationalist, that's oxymoron. But please to meet you.


I am legitimately pleased to meet you, but be careful with the name-calling and ad-hominems that will get you in trouble on here. Trust me.

As far as the NAP, it is obvious that I am opposed to it if I am an Imperialist and so are the far more-common Marxists and Socialists on this forum who will despise your ideas more than you despise mine. Since I prefer your views to theirs, I am not going to go out of my way to attack you unless you pick a fight with me first. Take that anyway you want to...but I come in peace.

Christian Nationalism is the same as the principle of Constantine and the Reformation, that nations are obligated to submit to Christ and establish national churches (this was the position of the Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, and Anglican churches) and followed the principles as outlined in the early church (all of which I would argue as Scriptural). Likewise, I reject the enlightenment idea of the social contract which teaches that a nation is defined by the consent of individuals. I define a nation by patriarchal familial relation, which is how the bible defines nations (which are named after the original "father" of their people), thus nations are "generally" ethnic in nature as all of the people in the nation share a common historical identity and descent. Thus, Christian nationalism is not an oxymoron, but how most Christians defined nation and governance prior to the American Revolution. Read Robert Filmer's "Partriarcha" which was responded to by John Locke's "First Treatise of Civil Government."

again....Good luck.
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Potemkin wrote:It must be interesting to meet an unevolved version of oneself, eh VS? ;)


Yeah...he hasn't quite reached the "Highest Stage of Capitalism" yet now has he? :lol:
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:As far as the NAP, it is obvious that I am opposed to it if I am an Imperialist and so are the far more-common Marxists and Socialists on this forum who will despise your ideas more than you despise mine. Since I prefer your views to theirs, I am not going to go out of my way to attack you unless you pick a fight with me first. Take that anyway you want to...but I come in peace.


Well ideally goal is freedom and equality for all, I detests both you and the Marxists. I consider your last quote laughable, your ideology and beliefs never came in peace before, why start now? Imperialist implies invading, who are you invading other than minorities in america and resources elsewhere?

Christian Nationalism is the same as the principle of Constantine and the Reformation, that nations are obligated to submit to Christ and establish national churches (this was the position of the Presbyterian, Reformed, Lutheran, and Anglican churches) and followed the principles as outlined in the early church (all of which I would argue as Scriptural).


So you choose secular institution supremacy over actual Christian values. Your religion is just a front and excuse for imperialist goals. Nothing is consider scriptural, cause that would involve cosmopolitan ideals and non-aggression action among foreign land and natives.


Likewise, I reject the enlightenment idea of the social contract which teaches that a nation is defined by the consent of individuals. I define a nation by patriarchal familial relation, which is how the bible defines nations (which are named after the original "father" of their people), thus nations are "generally" ethnic in nature as all of the people in the nation share a common historical identity and descent.


It doesn't matter what you think or feel about ethnic or enlightenment thoughts. Unless it's in the Bible, you're just excusing sin and murder. Where in the NT is what you say allowed? https://www.gotquestions.org/ethnocentrism.html

Thus, Christian nationalism is not an oxymoron, but how most Christians defined nation and governance prior to the American Revolution. Read Robert Filmer's "Partriarcha" which was responded to by John Locke's "First Treatise of Civil Government."

again....Good luck.

But it is, for the Bible requires all to abandon their borders and ethnic differences to be one with Christ. Philippians 3:20English Standard Version (ESV)

20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 5:29English Standard Version (ESV)

29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.
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By Potemkin
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One question I've always wondered about - do Libertarians believe that the NAP is a 'natural' ethical rule or a man-made one? If the former, then nature itself clearly violates that principle every day every time one organism kills and eats another. If the latter, then surely this means that the NAP is historically conditioned and contingent. Either way, I don't see how it could possibly function as one of the axioms of any system of thought with even a vague connection to nature, history or human society. But maybe I'm missing something.... :eh:

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