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Skinster-[quote=Hey Nonsense, here are other news sites reporting on the murder of the pregnant mother and her baby daughter in Gaza yesterday:[/quote]

The two links you provide, one has a '404', the other is broken.

However, it's not relevant, because you are giving Links to publications, as such,they are unreliable & subjective.

If you like, you can quote the BBC as a publication on the subject matter, it would not make any difference, because the BBC is a partial news organisation without a scintilla of integrity, funded by the Licence Fee payer to create a propaganda organ for Westminster & the politically correct(PC)brigade.
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[quote="skinster"]Israelis are the hostile population, since it's them who are imprisoning and occupying and bombing every few years, the natives of Palestine.


Typically of prejudiced folks, they have 'selective' memories & experiences.

Israel RESPONDS to attacks on it's people by the TERRORIST OCCUPIERS OF GAZA, as permitted under International Law.
No country or area on earth has any right to attack it's neighbour's.

When that neighbour is occupied by TERRORIST, it is beholden on the population that host those TERRORIST, to protest or expel them by force(if necessary), to protect the peace of that area's population.

Those TERRORIST justify their actions by falsely accusing the Israeli State of being 'occupiers', which is absolutely FALSE.

The BALFOUR Declaration at the end period of the British Mandate had the intention of creating what we would now call the 'two-state' solution.
That was NEVER implemented, even with the UN Resolution 181, because the UN has no power to create states of it's own accord & certainly not without the agreement of both parties to the dispute.
The Palestinians never exercised the option to form their own state within the partitioned area of Palestine, they therefore missed the boat on that score & they, unlike Israel, would never have been recognised as a state.

That is so, because the Palestinians have never recognised Israel's right to exist, it follows that Israel will never accept a Palestinian state accordingly.

The Palestinians have ONLY themselves to blame for their own predicament that they alone have created, they are 'prisoners' of the paradigm they made for each other.
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@Suntzu

Actually the Jewish population of Israel is outpacing the Palestinian population. Gaza is a horrible place to live given how little food Israel transports there and the few resources Israel gives them. They can't sacrifice children. Israel, however, is fine using Palestinian children as human shields and they have confirmed that this was standard military procedure ages ago.
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Oxymandias wrote:@Suntzu

Actually the Jewish population of Israel is outpacing the Palestinian population. Gaza is a horrible place to live given how little food Israel transports there and the few resources Israel gives them. They can't sacrifice children. Israel, however, is fine using Palestinian children as human shields and they have confirmed that this was standard military procedure ages ago.


Do you know anything about counter battery fire? A soon as the rockets/mortars/artillery is fired it is picked up on radar which calculates the firing point. The Israelis can have rounds down range before the rockets impact. The little terrorist know this and skeedadle as soon as they light the fuse leaving the "innocent" women and children as targets.
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skinster wrote:Shops have been smashed and stolen by Israeli thugs.

Yeah so. Kristalnacht was a systematic campaign of destruction and violence, carried out by the governing party that damaged over 7000 Jewish businesses on a single night. There has been no Kristalnacht in Palestine. This is anther Islamophillic lie, along with the Apartheid lie. Its totally reasonable to argue that something is worse than Kristalnacht or worse than Apartheid, but it is puerile to argue that something is the same when it most clearly isn't.

So the fire bombing of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo were undoubtedly worse than Kristalnacht, Germans and Japanese sufffered far more than Jews on Kristalnacht but they were not new "Kristalnacht"s. They were different. Similarly one can argue that the Gukurahundi or the Khmer Rouge's treatment of ethnic Vietnamese were worse than South African Apartheid, but they were not the same.
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Yeah so. Kristalnacht was a systematic campaign of destruction and violence, carried out by the governing party that damaged over 7000 Jewish businesses on a single night. There has been no Kristalnacht in Palestine. This is anther Islamophillic lie, along with the Apartheid lie. Its totally reasonable to argue that something is worse than Kristalnacht or worse than Apartheid, but it is puerile to argue that something is the same when it most clearly isn't.

So the fire bombing of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo were undoubtedly worse than Kristalnacht, Germans and Japanese sufffered far more than Jews on Kristalnacht but they were not new "Kristalnacht"s. They were different. Similarly one can argue that the Gukurahundi or the Khmer Rouge's treatment of ethnic Vietnamese were worse than South African Apartheid, but they were not the same.


Ugh, logic. Stop using it, you're making this place less fun. Spamming tweets is much more interesting.

Unironically, it certainly should be pertinent to anyone discussing something about politics or armed conflicts to have some semblance of understanding regarding the difference between motivations and scale, also military strategy and knowledge about weaponry could have some form of benefit. Where are these patently false analogies being manufactured? Is ignorance this dangerous?
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danholo wrote:Ugh, logic. Stop using it


:lol:
You saying this about Rich, that poster who is forever all over the place, made me chuckle. Thanks.

Nonsense wrote:The two links you provide, one has a '404', the other is broken.

However, it's not relevant, because you are giving Links to publications, as such,they are unreliable & subjective.

If you like, you can quote the BBC as a publication on the subject matter, it would not make any difference, because the BBC is a partial news organisation without a scintilla of integrity, funded by the Licence Fee payer to create a propaganda organ for Westminster & the politically correct(PC)brigade.


Are you denying that Israelis killed a pregnant mother and her little girl in an airstrike a couple of days ago? Is that what's happening here?

The BBC reported it too, but changed their headline after getting some complaints from the Israeli embassy. The Israeli embassy didn't deny the murder of the pregnant woman and her daughter, why are you?
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Are you denying that Israelis killed a pregnant mother and her little girl in an airstrike a couple of days ago? Is that what's happening here?

The BBC reported it too, but changed their headline after getting some complaints from the Israeli embassy. The Israeli embassy didn't deny the murder of the pregnant woman and her daughter, why are you?
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It's NOT for me to 'deny' anything.
YOU are the one that stated that Israel 'killed' a mother & child.

You then above state "The Israeli embassy didn't deny the murder of the pregnant woman & her daughter", why are you?

NONSENSE: Quite simply, you distort the picture to your personal prejudices.

You substitute, 'killing' for 'murder', then you say they don't deny it, WHY WOULD THEY DENY IT?
IT HASN'T BEEN PROVED EITHER WAY, THEREFORE, IT's IS A HYPOTHETICAL PROPOSITION, LACED WITH ACCUSATORY INTENT, WITH NO FOUNDATION IN FACT-UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

ALL you have shown, is a room, with what appears to be tomato ketchup everywhere, yet, 'allegedly', that room was where the impact of an Israeli aerial attack took place, yet there is little evidence of actual damage, certainly not enough to cause death, just a bottom panel of a door appears to be missing.

I'm thinking that it must have been a 'foot-in-the-door', unless PROOF is shown proving otherwise.

I have seen no EVIDENCE of what you stated, therefore, until EVIDENCE is shown I will neither confirm or deny what you state.

However, HAMAS, like ALL terrorist groups of the ARAB world, they see females, as well as children, as mere FODDER in their terrorist campaign against ISRAEL.

You are too blinkered in your prejudice to see realities in the conflict between the Palestinians & Israeli's.

'TROLLING' other publication authors work in pursuit of the perpetual myth that depict Jews & Israeli's as occupiers of 'Palestinian' territory as justification for a continuing Intifada against Israel existence in Palestine serves no purpose other than the self-destruction of the Palestinian cause.
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[quote="skinster"]More details on the murder that Nonsense appears to be denying, or something. :eh:


NONSENSE: You still have not provided EVIDENCE. All you show are a series of photo's, which could be anywhere & at anytime.

Putting a short vid of a bomb detonating anywhere you want it inserted into some story, that may 100% true, false, or anywhere in between, is not acceptable as PROOF anywhere in the world, ONLY at the UN & the BBC.

If that doesn't convince any reasonable person to doubt it's validity, then I don't know what will.

The UN & the BBC are the twin propaganda apologist for the ARAB Jihadi insurrectionist, masquerading themselves as 'freedom fighters' in the 'Arab Spring'. :p :p :lol: :lol:


Israelis killing children isn't new.


NONSENSE:

It wasn't that long ago that your Palestinian TERRORIST 'friends' were using PALESTINIAN schoolchildren as human shields, in their own school playgrounds in GAZA,in order to launch missile attacks on Israeli territory, in an attempt to kill Israeli citizens, knowing full well that ISRAEL would then NOT attack those schools for fear of injuring or killing children, leading to a global outcry.

For you to have the one-sided temerity to accuse the Israeli military of targeting Palestinian schoolchildren, IS TESTIMONY TO YOUR CYNICALLY WARPED MINDSET. :( :*( :knife: :knife:
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Glad this is settled. Usually such incidents happen from operational mistakes. Yet, in the battle for PR reality isn't even considered. Every incident is framed as evil.

One can point blame to the fog of war, which is why punishment for such mistakes are lighter than in civil court. Human error in situations of war is a redeeming factor. Ultimately the person who fired the shot receives punishment enough from the mistake he made - a mistake that cost lives of 4 innocent children. I can only imagine the horror these kids faced when fleeing from an attacking drone. Fortunately the military took necessary steps to take responsibility, and as such has carried out an investigation. Very good.

Really minor shit. We incinerated around 200,000 mostly women, children and old people in one night when we firebombed Tokyo. War it a dirty business.


It indeed is dirty but think a huge swathe of people who love to follow and be activists for armed conflicts are completely out of touch of war strategy works. For example, it is beneficial for Hamas to disguise themselves as civilians. It's a brilliant strategy. Yet, the use of this is denied.

Fortunately Israel is strong enough that most of the dead are on the enemy side. You can't punch and not expect a counter punch - especially when your enemy is stronger and more moral than you are. :)
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