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Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war

• Man codenamed Curveball 'invented' tales of bioweapons
• Iraqi told lies to try to bring down Saddam Hussein regime
• Fabrications used by US as justification for invasion
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The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war.

Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.


"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

The admission comes just after the eighth anniversary of Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations in which the then-US secretary of state relied heavily on lies that Janabi had told the German secret service, the BND. It also follows the release of former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memoirs, in which he admitted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction programme.

The careers of both men were seriously damaged by their use of Janabi's claims, which he now says could have been – and were – discredited well before Powell's landmark speech to the UN on 5 February 2003.

The former CIA chief in Europe Tyler Drumheller describes Janabi's admission as "fascinating", and said the emergence of the truth "makes me feel better". "I think there are still a number of people who still thought there was something in that. Even now," said Drumheller.

In the only other at length interview Janabi has given he denied all knowledge of his supposed role in helping the US build a case for invading Saddam's Iraq.

In a series of meetings with the Guardian in Germany where he has been granted asylum, he said he had told a German official, who he identified as Dr Paul, about mobile bioweapons trucks throughout 2000. He said the BND had identified him as a Baghdad-trained chemical engineer and approached him shortly after 13 March of that year, looking for inside information about Saddam's Iraq.

"I had a problem with the Saddam regime," he said. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

He portrays the BND as gullible and so eager to tease details from him that they gave him a Perry's Chemical Engineering Handbook to help communicate. He still has the book in his small, rented flat in Karlsruhe, south-west Germany.

"They were asking me about pumps for filtration, how to make detergent after the reaction," he said. "Any engineer who studied in this field can explain or answer any question they asked."

Janabi claimed he was first exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000, when the BND travelled to a Gulf city, believed to be Dubai, to speak with his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr Bassil Latif.

The Guardian has learned separately that British intelligence officials were at that meeting, investigating a claim made by Janabi that Latif's son, who was studying in Britain, was procuring weapons for Saddam.

That claim was proven false, and Latif strongly denied Janabi's claim of mobile bioweapons trucks and another allegation that 12 people had died during an accident at a secret bioweapons facility in south-east Baghdad.

The German officials returned to confront him with Latif's version. "He says, 'There are no trucks,' and I say, 'OK, when [Latif says] there no trucks then [there are none],'" Janabi recalled.

He said the BND did not contact him again until the end of May 2002. But he said it soon became clear that he was still being taken seriously.

He claimed the officials gave him an incentive to speak by implying that his then pregnant Moroccan-born wife may not be able to travel from Spain to join him in Germany if he did not co-operate with them. "He says, you work with us or your wife and child go to Morocco."

The meetings continued throughout 2002 and it became apparent to Janabi that a case for war was being constructed. He said he was not asked again about the bioweapons trucks until a month before Powell's speech.

After the speech, Janabi said he called his handler at the BND and accused the secret service of breaking an agreement that they would not share anything he had told them with another country. He said he was told not to speak and placed in confinement for around 90 days.

With the US now leaving Iraq, Janabi said he was comfortable with what he did, despite the chaos of the past eight years and the civilian death toll in Iraq, which stands at more than 100,000.

"I tell you something when I hear anybody – not just in Iraq but in any war – [is] killed, I am very sad. But give me another solution. Can you give me another solution?

"Believe me, there was no other way to bring about freedom to Iraq. There were no other possibilities."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/defector-admits-wmd-lies-iraq-war


Of course they lied, all of them...
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By ThomasNewton
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By U184
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The USA new what Saddam did and did not have, since we sold to him 75% of his arms...
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By Phred
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The USA new what Saddam did and did not have, since we sold to him 75% of his arms...


Support that bullshit assertion with a link to a credible source.





Phred
By Pants-of-dog
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ThomasNewton wrote:A soldier had something to say about the myths of the Iraq war

Even though the media didn't widely report it, Saddam has Sarin nerve gas, which is a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Here's a better article talking about hundreds of them being found.


You really should quote the relevant text.

The websites to which you have linked show that the extent of WMD in Iraq was one IED and hundreds of traces of deteriorated products from the Iran-Iraq war.
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By Fasces
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When making such revolutionary/radical claims, hiding behind false names makes me question the credibility of the man speaking. If he is brave enough to leak this information, he should be brave enough to make his identity known, and with that, his position. I realize the implications this may have on the man's personal liberty and well-being, but if the man is unwilling to personally suffer for this moral wrong he claims to have propagated, he is not a good man.
By Pants-of-dog
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Phred wrote:Support that bullshit assertion with a link to a credible source.


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff,
v.
CARLOS CARDOEN, FRANCO SAFTA, JORGE BURR, INDUSTRIAS CARDOES LIMITADA, a/k/a INCAR, SWISSCO MANAGEMENT GROUP, INC., EDWARD A. JOHNSON, RONALD W. GRIFFIN, and TELEDYNE INDUSTRIES, INC., d/b/a/, TELEDYNE WAH CHANG ALBANY,
Defendants.

Case No. 93-241-CR-HIGHSMITH

DECLARATION OF HOWARD TEICHER

I, Howard Teicher, hereby state that, to the best of my knowledge and belief, the facts presented herein are true, correct and complete. I further state that to the best of my knowledge and belief, nothing stated in this Declaration constitutes classified information.

1. My name is Howard Teicher. From 1977 to 1987, I served in the United States government as a member of the national security bureaucracy. From early 1982 to 1987, I served as a Staff Member to the United States National Security Council.

2. While a Staff Member to the National Security Council, I was responsible for the Middle East and for Political-Military Affairs. During my five year tenure on the National Security Council, I had regular contact with both CIA Director William Casey and Deputy Director Robert Gates.
....

9. The CIA, including both CIA Director Casey and Deputy Director Gates, knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq. My notes, memoranda and other documents in my NSC files show or tend to show that the CIA knew of, approved of, and assisted in the sale of non-U.S. origin military weapons, ammunition and vehicles to Iraq.

...


http://www.naderlibrary.com/nader.declhowardteicher.htm
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By Fasces
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No one doubts that the United States sold the Iraqi government armaments. This is a question of scope, which your source does not tackle.
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By Avatan
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Phred wrote:Support that bullshit assertion with a link to a credible source.

1) Support During Iran-Iraq War (dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, special operations training)

Did you know Saddam was an honorary citizen of Detroit? I wonder why they gave him Detroit of all places...

2) Official/Unofficial Support in the late 80s and early 90s (Florida-based arms dealer, House of Representatives transcript)

3) And the US is still doing it, Saddam or no Saddam.

Direct. Indirect. Around the bend. Under the table. Over the sheets and through the pillow. In the garage and out behind the school. In the park. In the moonlight. Wherever and however you like it.
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By ThomasNewton
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Myth 8: We armed Saddam in the first place
I see this falsehood repeated a lot, and a lot of authors have tried to cash in on it. The US did provide some assistance, but we never directly sold weapons to Saddam. The US did sell some artillery pieces to Iraq, but the last was in 1967, before Saddam's time. During the Iran-Iraq war, the US also sold some unarmed helicopters, and some US companies sold chemicals, some of which were deceitfully used by Saddam to help make chemical weapons later. But the chemicals themselves were perfectly legal to sell, and Saddam was also buying them from other countries anyway. Some other nations, had no such qualms about weapon sales, and for some reason, are rarely criticized for it. For example, France sold Saddam Roland missiles, Mirage fighters and Super Etendard bombers, while Argentina sold thousands of anti-personnel mines. One popular weapon of choice among insurgents is a particular Italian-made anti-tank mine, which I myself saw dozens of times in Baghdad.


An artillery shell containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near a U.S. military convoy in Baghdad recently, releasing a small amount of the deadly chemical and slightly injuring two ordnance disposal experts, a top U.S. military official in Iraq said yesterday. Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad that the Iraq Survey Group confirmed yesterday that it had found a 155mm artillery shell containing sarin.


"Probably more important is why has the administration not made this public beforehand," retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerny said of the report. "I think the fact is that the Russians moved large stocks [of WMDs] out in the fall of 2002. ... They went into three locations into Syria, in one location in the Bekaa Valley. If you get in there and if you found those weapons and found the precursors, the fingerprints would go back to Russia, China and France. Now those are the three countries that had the most conventional weapons sales to Saddam Hussein. ... I believe they were complicit. So I don't think the administration wants to trash three of the five members of the [U.N.] Security Council."

Read more: Hundreds of WMDs discovered in Iraq http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=36714#ixzz1E2znd7m


From the three sources I provided, respectively. You cannot continually say "your sources don't count," that's moving the goalposts, which is a logical fallacy.
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By yiwahikanak
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I wonder if you understand how to evaluate sources? As in a blog is not comparable to a peer-reviewed journal? You seem to think that tossing up any old source is somehow good enough. It is not.

One of your links has this to say:

One senior Defense Department official told Fox News the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
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By Phred
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I must not have been typing in proper English. Let me try this again -

The bullshit unsupported assertion was -

The USA new (sic) what Saddam did and did not have, since we sold to him 75% of his arms...


My request was therefore for a credible link showing the US sold to Hussein 75% of Iraq's armaments. I am still waiting for such a link.




Phred
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By AnnoyingConservative
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Didn't they find truckloads of yellowcake? *does a search*

Well, now I can't tell if that was a false document or if a false document was issued by France to say that they didn't buy it to undermined the US and British efforts.. I can't tell anymore.

All I know for certain is that the Iraqis are glad to have that dictator out who was killing his people.
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By QatzelOk
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Any country that has weapons of mass destruction needs to be destroyed.

So it's good that the USA - which has none - used its non-destructive weapons to destroy a country that had them.
By Pants-of-dog
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Myth 8: We armed Saddam in the first place
I see this falsehood repeated a lot, and a lot of authors have tried to cash in on it. The US did provide some assistance, but we never directly sold weapons to Saddam. The US did sell some artillery pieces to Iraq, but the last was in 1967, before Saddam's time. During the Iran-Iraq war, the US also sold some unarmed helicopters, and some US companies sold chemicals, some of which were deceitfully used by Saddam to help make chemical weapons later. But the chemicals themselves were perfectly legal to sell, and Saddam was also buying them from other countries anyway. Some other nations, had no such qualms about weapon sales, and for some reason, are rarely criticized for it. For example, France sold Saddam Roland missiles, Mirage fighters and Super Etendard bombers, while Argentina sold thousands of anti-personnel mines. One popular weapon of choice among insurgents is a particular Italian-made anti-tank mine, which I myself saw dozens of times in Baghdad.


As my evidence shows, the CIA used non-US manufacturers to supply Iraq with weapons. Just because the weapons were not made in the US doe snot mean that the CIA did not ensure their supply.

An artillery shell containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near a U.S. military convoy in Baghdad recently, releasing a small amount of the deadly chemical and slightly injuring two ordnance disposal experts, a top U.S. military official in Iraq said yesterday. Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad that the Iraq Survey Group confirmed yesterday that it had found a 155mm artillery shell containing sarin.


Forgive me. The extent is not one IED bomb. It is one IED bomb and one shell.

"Probably more important is why has the administration not made this public beforehand," retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerny said of the report. "I think the fact is that the Russians moved large stocks [of WMDs] out in the fall of 2002. ... They went into three locations into Syria, in one location in the Bekaa Valley. If you get in there and if you found those weapons and found the precursors, the fingerprints would go back to Russia, China and France. Now those are the three countries that had the most conventional weapons sales to Saddam Hussein. ... I believe they were complicit. So I don't think the administration wants to trash three of the five members of the [U.N.] Security Council."


Wow. I didn't know the WND had gone from openly biased to espousing unverified conspiracy theories.

TN wrote:From the three sources I provided, respectively. You cannot continually say "your sources don't count," that's moving the goalposts, which is a logical fallacy.


Actually, your sources do not count because they do not show that Saddam had WMDs.
By tonysidaway
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When Colin Powell stood up in the Security Council chamber to advocate the invasion in 2003, he knew his intelligence was flaky and so did everybody else who was paying attention. The world was completely underwhelmed. Little weight was given to these defector accounts because their stories didn't match the findings of the inspectors on the ground. American readers may remember it different, but that's because most of the US media put too much weight on the State Department's disinformation campaigns and didn't seem to understand what the inspectors were saying.

Even the die-hard war supporters had stopped predicting WMD finds by the end of 2004, but in truth such predictions looked ridiculous even on the eve of war.

Still, it's good to see the record set straight after all these years.
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By QatzelOk
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I lied about Pearl Harbor to topple the Emperor of Japan.

I lied about __________________ to destroy German nationalism.
By tonysidaway
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"The US did provide some assistance, but we never directly sold weapons to Saddam."

That's grossly misleading. The Reagan government not only permitted, but actively encouraged the sale of dual-use materials--including precursors to chemical weapons such as mustard gas--to Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
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By ThomasNewton
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PantsonDog wrote:Actually, your sources do not count because they do not show that Saddam had WMDs.


Do...do Sarin Nerve Gas and Mustard Gas not count as weapons of mass destruction? Because they say he had Sarin Nerve Gas and Mustard Gas.

If you cannot agree that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction, can we all come to an agreement that he had Sarin Nerve Gas and Mustard gas?
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By QatzelOk
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Do...do Sarin Nerve Gas and Mustard Gas not count as weapons of mass destruction?

Even Dijon Mustard can be considered a WMD if used in an inappropriate way, like as a sauce on seafood.

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